Honest question: If every player/class/job is equal,who is unique? (Gameplay topic)

[Canadane]

Scootaloo, according to your profile, you have one tank, one melee dps, and acn (so 1 magic dps and 1 healer) levelled to 50.
How are you able to say everything in each category work the same if you aren't experiencing them all to their fullest?
Not to mention you have no crafts at 50, so you cannot see that benefit either, I suppose.

Like I don't mean to call you out, but you should really try things out completely before complaining about them.

[Scootaloo]

Scootaloo, according to your profile, you have one tank, one melee dps, and acn (so 1 magic dps and 1 healer) levelled to 50.
How are you able to say everything in each category work the same if you aren't experiencing them all to their fullest?
Not to mention you have no crafts at 50, so you cannot see that benefit either, I suppose.

Like I don't mean to call you out, but you should really try things out completely before complaining about them.

Complaining? I'm pointing out facts about them, big diff. If I was going to complain, I'd make a post about how unoriginal the gameplay is,how the current state of the game reminds me a lot of WoW, and how tedious it is to farm solidery tomes.

Oh wait, I just did. See the diff?

[Fyce]

Complaining? I'm pointing out facts about them, big diff. If I was going to complain, I'd make a post about how unoriginal the gameplay is,how the current state of the game reminds me a lot of WoW, and how tedious it is to farm solidery tomes.

Oh wait, I just did. See the diff?

So, what do you want exactly? You say that, for you, all DPS are ultimately the same, minus "few differences".
But that's a very subjective thing and, as you are now well aware after 4-5 pages, people don't have the same opinion as you do about this.

You can't argue with people on a subjective point, trying to bring logical arguments, that makes no sense.

As I said in my previous post, which still remains unanswered, it all comes down to the way you percieve the differences between some key-points of the gameplay between each class. But still, this is highly subjective and you can't form any logical argument with that.

[Canadane]

Complaining? I'm pointing out facts about them, big diff. If I was going to complain, I'd make a post about how unoriginal the gameplay is,how the current state of the game reminds me a lot of WoW, and how tedious it is to farm solidery tomes.

Oh wait, I just did. See the diff?

Perhaps "complain" wasn't the right choice of words.
How would you give each class it's fair assessment if you haven't played them all?

[Scootaloo]

Perhaps "complain" wasn't the right choice of words.
How would you give each class it's fair assessment if you haven't played them all?

It doesn't take grinding a job to 50 to get a clear picture of how it plays.

Reacting in real time is another story but this isn't about the reaction mechanics.(That's a whole other thread)

And for the record, I plan to have all jobs to lvl 50 before 2.4. Hell, I bet even when I have them all to 50 people will still try to argue these things.

idk, maybe its just because I hail from FFXI and am used to being able to look at a dragoon and a monk and immediately see the differences between them that I'm seeing so little.

Lord knows us FFXI players get hate just for existing in FFXIV due to all the WoW players flooding in this game. WoW players hate us for wanting a challenge and we hate WoW players for wanting everything to be "easy mode".

Anyways, enough of me derailing this topic.

Point I'm trying to make is, I've played each job to know them in and out, I don't need to be level 50 to know how one job works... This is actually sad in itself that I can learn and master a job before I even get all the skills because they really don't make any difference in the end when the end result is just dmg output and that's it.

[Hurlstone]

I do not feel I have played all the classes enough yet to have a full scope on just how unique they are (Only played my main Summoner, White Mage and Scholar at 50) but from what I have played, they seem unique enough to be called worthy.

idk, maybe its just because I hail from FFXI and am used to being able to look at a dragoon and a monk and immediately see the differences between them that I'm seeing so little.

Lord knows us FFXI players get hate just for existing in FFXIV due to all the WoW players flooding in this game. WoW players hate us for wanting a challenge and we hate WoW players for wanting everything to be "easy mode".

I cannot help but say that not every form FFXI player feels this way. I feel it is a shame sometime when FFXI players seem to 'mock' newer games just because they are not like the old. I used to play FFXI religiously (From around 2004 to 2007) and personally speaking, I far prefer the classes we have here in FFXIV. The main problem I had with the FFXI classes were actually the players. It became clear that only 'certain' classes were going to be acceptable, and you could forget about having a sub job which was not the same as everyone else. There was such scope for creativity, but few ever embraced it.

Still, each to their own! It is a very subjective subject!

[Alkimi]

Lord knows us FFXI players get hate just for existing in FFXIV due to all the WoW players flooding in this game. WoW players hate us for wanting a challenge and we hate WoW players for wanting everything to be "easy mode".

Name any boss or HMN in XI and I'll give you a WoW boss that was a lot harder. Absolute Virtue doesn't count. XI was an easy game.

I've played each job to know them in and out, I don't need to be level 50 to know how one job works... This is actually sad in itself that I can learn and master a job before I even get all the skills because they really don't make any difference in the end when the end result is just dmg output and that's it.

The fact that you haven't even touched first coil leads me to believe you haven't mastered anything. Any job is easy to half arse, and they might seem similar if you play them that way, but getting the absolute most out of them is a different matter.

[Aegis]

Name any boss or HMN in XI and I'll give you a WoW boss that was a lot harder. Absolute Virtue doesn't count. XI was an easy game.

Pandemonium Warden

[Dwill]

Pandemonium Warden

I hope you're not referring to release Pandemonium Warden which was proven to be unkillable by BTL after fighting it for 18 hours but if you do, this is a two player game: vanilla release C'Thun.