Honest question: If every player/class/job is equal,who is unique? (Gameplay topic)

[Pantz]

For starters: How is that punishing them?

The fact that they can't join a party just because they don't like playing a certain class or don't have a certain class? Sure they have a choice to level but if you are forcing them to level a certain class just because a certain fight demands that class to be used only, that isn't a choice. That's forcing. And that's punishing.

[Scootaloo]

The fact that they can't join a party just because they don't like playing a certain class or don't have a certain class? Sure they have a choice to level but if you are forcing them to level a certain class just because a certain fight demands that class to be used only, that isn't a choice. That's forcing. And that's punishing.

You're once again assuming EVERYONE will have the same expectations for a certain fight. You can't read the minds of the over 10k players out there and assume each and everyone of them DEMAND a certain class. No one is forcing them. They have the choice, if they choose not to, then they choose not to. SE didn't twist their arm and say "HEY! LEVEL THIS OR YOU CAN'T GET IN HERE!" They can simply enter with their preferred class and run the dungeon with a group who wants their class/job and there will always be people who will prefer the PLD to the WAR and Vise versa.

[Pantz]

You're once again assuming EVERYONE will have the same expectations for a certain fight. You can't read the minds of the over 10k players out there and assume each and everyone of them DEMAND a certain class. No one is forcing them. They have the choice, if they choose not to, then they choose not to. SE didn't twist their arm and say "HEY! LEVEL THIS OR YOU CAN'T GET IN HERE!" They can simply enter with their preferred class and run the dungeon with a group who wants their class/job and there will always be people who will prefer the PLD to the WAR and Vise versa.

You mean that Ramuh pet tank fiasco wasn't telling enough? If people have a way to make a fight easy by excluding a class and requiring another class, you can be sure people are going to enforce it.

I have played enough MMOs to know that if a fight favours a certain class and disadvantages another class, 99% of people are going to enfocre class restrictions, because it makes things easier.

[Scootaloo]

You mean that Ramuh pet tank fiasco wasn't telling enough? If people have a way to make a fight easy by excluding a class and requiring another class, you can be sure people are going to enforce it.

You're relying on assumptions to back up your points and I fail to see how that makes your statement fact.

You can't assume everyone is going to play copycat and REQUIRE the same party line up nor can you assume players will prefer one class over another just because they have a skill that makes them unique.

[Vaara]

You're once again assuming EVERYONE will have the same expectations for a certain fight. You can't read the minds of the over 10k players out there and assume each and everyone of them DEMAND a certain class. No one is forcing them. They have the choice, if they choose not to, then they choose not to. SE didn't twist their arm and say "HEY! LEVEL THIS OR YOU CAN'T GET IN HERE!"

People always take the path of least resistance. Take melee in Garuda Ex when it first came out for example. People watch a strategy on line and then everyone decides it should be done this single way, and then melee DPS get shafted. This should not be encouraged any more than it is already.

Also consider that a lot of gear requires you to single out a specific job to be your "main" (soldiery, relic, coil loot etc). If your job is no good at the new endgame fight that just came out, then there is no longer a chocie.

[Scootaloo]

People always take the path of least resistance.

They do? Oh wait...that's right, WoW players...forgot, silly me.

Take melee in Garuda Ex when it first came out for example. People watch a strategy on line and then everyone decides it should be done this single way, and then melee DPS get shafted. This should not be encouraged any more than it is already.

That's funny, I see melee DPS all the time in Garuda EX runs and they turn out fine usually. Must be on your server only that they do that or something.

Also consider that a lot of gear requires you to single out a specific job to be your "main" (soldiery, relic, coil loot etc). If your job is no good at the new endgame fight that just came out, then there is no longer a choice.

NO ONE is good at content that just comes out, its called a learning curve.

And usually, I can get my fresh level 50 every piece except the pants and body within the first week. and usually the body and pants take a week each to obtain unless I spam PVP runs. So unless the new content runs suddenly go dead zoned within the first month or so of being released, that's not a big issue to begin with.

[Vaara]

They do? Oh wait...that's right, WoW players...forgot, silly me.

Purely human nature, never played WoW, but thanks for showing us your agenda here.

That's funny, I see melee DPS all the time in Garuda EX runs and they turn out fine usually. Must be on your server only that they do that or something.

The key words in my post were "when it first came out." No one cares now because everyone over-gears it and you can survive wicked wheel anyway. When it's new content that people need a clear for, that's when most people try to make things as easy as possible.

NO ONE is good at content that just comes out, its called a learning curve.

And usually, I can get my fresh level 50 every piece except the pants and body within the first week. and usually the body and pants take a week each to obtain unless I spam PVP runs. So unless the new content runs suddenly go dead zoned within the first month or so of being released, that's not a big issue to begin with

None of this is relevant to what I said, unless you are saying you got full soldiery gear except pants and body in a week. Please let me know how you accomplished this.