Honest question: If every player/class/job is equal,who is unique? (Gameplay topic)

[Estevo]

I honestly think the only reason most of our classes are so basic is because they wanted to have a new player friendly job meta for the re launch of the game. Based on what I've seen of Ninja, the original design of Warrior, Scholar, as well as the slightly unique feel of Monk. I'm sure they'll have less basic stuff eventually for our classes. But I'm not going to pretend like I don't see how bare bones our current jobs are. They just need some stuff added to flesh them out. But it wont be a skill, it'd have to be a mechanic that only that class deals with or works with. Like how Monks are separated by GL3, but it has to be more than just a simple buff/attack management IMO.

Also there was plenty of relevant feedback posted throughout this thread, A lot of it I actually echoed in my own post just with a lot more words and big comparison.

Again I agree, and of course there has been some relevant feedback, but if you ask me I can't see it through the huge miasma of hate and insults, to put it figuratively. I just wish people would understand systems change all the time in mmos, or that's how it should be, because mmos that don't change aren't interesting, unless they're literally godlike to begin with (so none,) it's why I don't give feedback that's relevant to the current game systems, because no one except MAYBE the devs know what the game will be like down the road, because deep down we know it won't be the same a year or two from now, and that COULD be a wonderful thing.

I really dislike how people sugarcoat things, honestly I could say a thousand times how much I love the game but if I even say one thing that goes against the current design, I'll get bashed for it, but it's k, that's just how the forums are...

[Estevo]

Ha thanks. While I know how you feel, I do think that the only reason our current classes function in the basic manner they do is because of 2.0 release / development time. They didn't exactly have a lot of time to change up the formula plus they wanted classes that people who haven't been playing MMO's for a very long time could use to full potential.

Well those are my sentiments as well, I think they did a fantastic job with the time they were given, although with that fact in mind there is all the more reason to think about overhauling a few systems down the line, or at least improve and expand on if they can, that would be great.

[Dwill]

But one of those core group members said that the group thought it was killable. Why would you disagree with them?

BTL thought it was possible to kill but we wouldn't have been surprised if they pulled another Absolute Virtue on this boss which was highly possible as well. Why do you think his mechanic was changed after that controversy ? That thing is what caused most of BTL's core group to just give up on the game.

Look at the bolded part.That's not disagreeing with them.

I'm not going to sit arguing over semantics with you. Pandemonium Warden was a terrible answer to Alkimi's question and you know it. Now unless you have another answer, it just proves him/her right.

[Destain]

Honest Question: Can you make a fair assessment of something without experiencing it yourself?
Honest Question: Can you call this game easy mode if you have completed 0 difficult content?
Honest Question: Can you admit FFXI was a lot easier, so easy you could go drop a duece doing sky and come back and no one bats an eye?
Honest Question: Can you admit the hardest part about XI was the obscene time sink the simplest of activities required?
Honest Question: Can you let go of the fact this game will never be FFXI-2 and enjoy it for what it is?
Honest Question: Have you spent more time on the forums than you have in the game?

[Aussir]

mommy, everyone does the same!

Excuse me while I go throw a few Holy and Heals while playing my Dragoon...

Give me a call when you learn that different players have different play-styles and not everyone likes to play the same class.

I like warriors, I hate paladins.
I like dragoons, I hate monks.
I like black mages, I hate white mages.
I'm ok-ish with Bards.
I find Schoolars/Summoners boring.

Playing a dragoon has NOTHING to do with playing a monk, they're different in everything and the only common denominator is: they do DPS.

Games need to cater for different people and their play-styles.

This, on top of each class having his own pros and cons (some are great at distance PHYSICAL DAMAGE, others are great at MAGIC DAMAGE; some are great at close range damage, others are good at DAMAGE OVER TIME, etc, etc, etc) and complement each other.

DPS classes all do damage? Yes... it's their job.
Infantry does DPS
Snipers do DPS
Artillery do DPS

Heal types all heal in one way or another? Yes, it's their job.
Nurses heal
Doctors heal
Surgeons heal

Do we need them all? Yes, because they all have their pros and cons. Yes because even with similarities, they still have differences that make them unique.

It's the same thing in the game; while similar, we're all different.

Now, excuse me while I go /facepalm.

[Sandpark]

Honest Question: Can you call this game easy mode if you have completed 0 difficult content?
Honest Question: Can you admit FFXI was a lot easier, so easy you could go drop a duece doing sky and come back and no one bats an eye?
Honest Question: Can you admit the hardest part about XI was the obscene time sink the simplest of activities required?
Honest Question: Can you let go of the fact this game will never be FFXI-2 and enjoy it for what it is?
Honest Question: Have you spent more time on the forums than you have in the game?

1.Yes there is a whole game of leveling before endgame.
2.Neither was easy. Just notice more here cause faster combat and smaller parties/less redundant members.
3.Game wasn't easy & nothing hard about time sink just extended play time for good or bad.
4.Yes and I'm glad it isn't. Doesn't mean we can't want some ideas from XI or other games.
5.No

[Aegis]

Look at the bolded part.That's not disagreeing with them.

I'm not going to sit arguing over semantics with you. Pandemonium Warden was a terrible answer to Alkimi's question and you know it. Now unless you have another answer, it just proves him/her right.

I don't get your objection to it. It was a very hard boss. And semantics is the meaning of words. Which word are we arguing over?

[Dwill]

I don't get your objection to it. It was a very hard boss. And semantics is the meaning of words. Which word are we arguing over?

It's not hard to get:

It wasn't a matter of hard, it was mathematically impossible to kill within reasonable means.

[Aegis]

It's not hard to get:

It was mathematically possible to kill.

'Reasonable means' could be stretched to mean anything, it's a wishy-washy, subjective phrase.

Perhaps someone would consider having to react in under .1s unreasonable. Does that mean Titan HM is mathematically impossible to kill within reasonable means?

No subjective terms, just hard fact. PW was possible to kill pre-nerf. It wasn't killed. There's no harder boss in WoW or anywhere really. I don't care if you don't want to accept it, it was possible to kill and harder than any WoW boss. Your objection is spurious and subjective.

Unless you have another argument, I suggest we agree to disagree.

[Dwill]

It was mathematically possible to kill.

'Reasonable means' could be stretched to mean anything, it's a wishy-washy, subjective phrase.

Perhaps someone would consider having to react in under .1s unreasonable. Does that mean Titan HM is mathematically impossible to kill within reasonable means?

No subjective terms, just hard fact. PW was possible to kill pre-nerf. It wasn't killed. There's no harder boss in WoW or anywhere really. I don't care if you don't want to accept it, it was possible to kill and harder than any WoW boss. Your objection is spurious and subjective.

Unless you have another argument, I suggest we agree to disagree.

I guess we'll agree to disagree since you seem to think that sitting 18 hours in front of a computer is reasonable.