Honest question: If every player/class/job is equal,who is unique? (Gameplay topic)

[Obysuca]

Yeah, making your own party with people dropping from it once they discovered you were a pup or it would take forever because you'd go anon while recruiting so people wouldn't see that you were a PUP. I knew quite a few people to which that happened during ToAU. And if you were good at your job, you were good at the most optimal one which is what people wanted. People in FFXI were mostly elitists in endgame and no one would let you PUP anything relevant so yeah, good job, you could merit as PUP but do nothing else worthwhile.

o.O Idk on your server, but people didn't drop if they found out you're pup and I never had to go /anon for it.
I also did plenty of endgame as pup, I even had people ask me to come that over sam and such, which were about the same geared as my pup.

Not saying you sucked at XI, but maybe all those experiences you speak of are because of not being social/being a jerk or just not being good at it o.o 10 years of XI and I never saw those "elitists" you speak of. I see them everywhere in XIV, never before in a mmo have I seen so many until now.

[Hurlstone]

Hmm... I left FFXI in around 2007-ish, mostly because of several things. The lack of solo based activities and the fact that I found the game boring to level (Find a group, find a camp, kill monsters for hours on end... give me quests any day!) where the main reasons, but another was the attitude of many players in regards to class. There were certain classes in which you found very hard to find parties, such as PUP (Which I adored, yet never really got to play much...) and others. Elitism and rude players were entities that I had experienced well before the likes of Dungeon/Duty Finder. I also really didn't like how you had to have a certain sub-class. It was a great system, with lots of room for experimentation, but when it came to leveling and stuff there was no way you could play other then what was assumed to be the 'best' no matter how good you were.

I missed being a RDM/NIN...

Anyway, that is just my experience. I am sure other have indeed had better luck and stuff. Perhaps it was just my server (Ragnarok, if I recall... name was Fred!) but looking back on it, I really do not hold it in such high regards as other former players do. As I said though, could just be me... I hear FFXI has changed a lot since the though. I must check it out again some day...

(Oh, and if every job in this game is the same, then why on Eorzea do I adore playing Summoner and hate playing Black Mage...)

[Brine_Gildchaff]

Not saying you sucked at XI, but maybe all those experiences you speak of are because of not being social/being a jerk or just not being good at it o.o 10 years of XI and I never saw those "elitists" you speak of. I see them everywhere in XIV, never before in a mmo have I seen so many until now.

Gonna be frank here, this sounds a LOT like "blaming the victim". I rarely encountered the XIV elitists when I was working my way through first Coil, but when a friend of mine joined on my recommendation he faced abuse and even kicks because of his lower-level gear (all of which was a) job-appropriate and b) gave him an average ilvl of above the dungeon's requirements). I would not be justified in saying that he was "not social" or "a jerk" or "just not good at XIV", I was simply lucky enough not to have to deal with such people.

[Dwill]

o.O Idk on your server, but people didn't drop if they found out you're pup and I never had to go /anon for it.
I also did plenty of endgame as pup, I even had people ask me to come that over sam and such, which were about the same geared as my pup.

Not saying you sucked at XI, but maybe all those experiences you speak of are because of not being social/being a jerk or just not being good at it o.o 10 years of XI and I never saw those "elitists" you speak of. I see them everywhere in XIV, never before in a mmo have I seen so many until now.

Yeah, I did endgame from Zilart to mid-wings of the goddess at the highest possible (3 digits is not enough to count the amount of time I killed the Sky gods, jailers, Jimmy and Timmy and the 3 Kings)level so it wasn't the lack of skill. PUP was unwanted at the highest level of play because it was terrible compared to a well played "insert any other melees here" and that's not an opinion, that's a fact. A well-played 6-hit Samurai would trash any PUP, no matter how good you or your friend thought you were. The endgame scene was a dramafest of elitism on any server that wasn't horrible. If you didn't meet any elitists, you were not playing at a high enough level of endgame.

[Alkimi]

Lord knows us FFXI players get hate just for existing in FFXIV due to all the WoW players flooding in this game. WoW players hate us for wanting a challenge and we hate WoW players for wanting everything to be "easy mode".

Name any boss or HMN in XI and I'll give you a WoW boss that was a lot harder. Absolute Virtue doesn't count. XI was an easy game.

I've played each job to know them in and out, I don't need to be level 50 to know how one job works... This is actually sad in itself that I can learn and master a job before I even get all the skills because they really don't make any difference in the end when the end result is just dmg output and that's it.

The fact that you haven't even touched first coil leads me to believe you haven't mastered anything. Any job is easy to half arse, and they might seem similar if you play them that way, but getting the absolute most out of them is a different matter.

[Aegis]

Name any boss or HMN in XI and I'll give you a WoW boss that was a lot harder. Absolute Virtue doesn't count. XI was an easy game.

Pandemonium Warden

[Dwill]

Pandemonium Warden

I hope you're not referring to release Pandemonium Warden which was proven to be unkillable by BTL after fighting it for 18 hours but if you do, this is a two player game: vanilla release C'Thun.

[Aegis]

I hope you're not referring to release Pandemonium Warden which was proven to be unkillable by BTL after fighting it for 18 hours but if you do, this is a two player game: vanilla release C'Thun.

So they were both equally hard?


A quote from a BTL member btw: "None of us doubt that PW can be killed. We just call into question exactly what the development team thinks is reasonable from human beings,"

http://www.wired.com/2008/08/pandemonium-war/

So, it was killable, mathematically, but was too hard for players as human beings. Find a harder boss than that.

[Dwill]

So they were both equally hard?


A quote from a BTL member btw: "None of us doubt that PW can be killed. We just call into question exactly what the development team thinks is reasonable from human beings,"

http://www.wired.com/2008/08/pandemonium-war/

So, it was killable, mathematically, but was too hard for players as human beings. Find a harder boss than that.

Your arguing semantics here. It wasn't a matter of hard, it was mathematically impossible to kill within reasonable means.

I was in BTL as well so I knew about that whole incident, sorry to disappoint you. BTL thought it was possible to kill but we wouldn't have been surprised if they pulled another Absolute Virtue on this boss which was highly possible as well. Why do you think his mechanic was changed after that controversy ? That thing is what caused most of BTL's core group to just give up on the game.

Sorry but you should try another boss to answer Alkimi's question, one that is within reasonable means to kill and not a flat exaggeration.

[Aegis]

Your arguing semantics here. It wasn't a matter of hard, it was mathematically impossible to kill within reasonable means.

I was in BTL as well so I knew about that whole incident, sorry to disappoint you. BTL thought it was possible to kill but we wouldn't have been surprised if they pulled another Absolute Virtue on this boss which was highly possible as well. Why do you think his mechanic was changed after that controversy ? That thing is what caused most of BTL's core group to just give up on the game.

Sorry but you should try another boss to answer Alkimi's question, one that is within reasonable means to kill and not a flat exaggeration.

But one of those core group members said that the group thought it was killable. Why would you disagree with them?