Honest question: If every player/class/job is equal,who is unique? (Gameplay topic)

[Estevo]

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Scootaloo you make good points, and you've said nothing wrong, the only thing you did wrong was decide to try and post feedback on these forums

I would suggest just avoiding posting on the forums for a while, see if the atmosphere changes, but chances are they won't, and it's just not worth the trouble.

I'm sure you know by now what I mean, the unending pattern of someone posting some sort of feedback that could very well better the game, and then the entire herd comes along and bashes your skull in for even considering something different, something that doesn't compute with the current game (which won't exist a few years down the line regardless, so jokes on them), and then you try to defend yourself, but they somehow turn it around and make you look like the bad guy.

It's honestly scary how predictable people are.

BTW Cynric knows what he's talking about, I agree with him wholeheartedly

[Brine_Gildchaff]

I'm sure you know by now what I mean, the unending pattern of someone posting actual relevant feedback that could better the game, and then the entire herd comes along and bashes your skull in for even considering something different

Yes. Because clearly nobody in the twelve pages posted so far has pointed out actually relevant objections to the OP's claims. Certainly none of them have taken the time and effort to explain why their suggestion of "feedback" is based on something that is just plain objectively WRONG.

[Dwill]

Scootaloo you make good points, and you've said nothing wrong, the only thing you did wrong was decide to try and post feedback on these forums

I would suggest just avoiding posting on the forums for a while, see if the atmosphere changes, but chances are they won't, and it's just not worth the trouble.

I'm sure you know by now what I mean, the unending pattern of someone posting actual relevant feedback that could better the game, and then the entire herd comes along and bashes your skull in for even considering something different, something that doesn't compute with the current game (which won't exist a few years down the line regardless, so jokes on them), and then you try to defend yourself, but they somehow turn it around and make you look like the bad guy.

It's honestly scary how predictable people are.

BTW Cynric knows what he's talking about, I agree with him wholeheartedly

Yes, you two are just martyrs. Not the fact that what you call "relevant feedback that could better the game" is just blatant criticism mixed with a whole bag of negativity, nor the fact that said feedback just shows a total ignorance of how the game actually works and refuse to acknowledge that your claims are based on said ignorance. Yes, you're just martyrs.

[Cynric]

BTW Cynric knows what he's talking about, I agree with him wholeheartedly

I honestly think the only reason most of our classes are so basic is because they wanted to have a new player friendly job meta for the re launch of the game. Based on what I've seen of Ninja, the original design of Warrior, Scholar, as well as the slightly unique feel of Monk. I'm sure they'll have less basic stuff eventually for our classes. But I'm not going to pretend like I don't see how bare bones our current jobs are. They just need some stuff added to flesh them out. But it wont be a skill, it'd have to be a mechanic that only that class deals with or works with. Like how Monks are separated by GL3, but it has to be more than just a simple buff/attack management IMO.

Also there was plenty of relevant feedback posted throughout this thread, A lot of it I actually echoed in my own post just with a lot more words and big comparison.

[Scootaloo]

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You're either really dim or I wasn't clear enough when I've said over the course of this ENTIRE THREAD practically... that those skills DO NOT make them stand out.

Those skills are STANDARD for their class and once again, I'd be shocked and appalled if they weren't included already!

How much clearer do I need to be? For peats sake, I've tried to be polite, I've tried to be civil but then we get people like you who not only insult my intelligence but also spout off something that has no baring on this topic and think they've proven their point and a bag of chips.

[Nicobo]

...Thoughts? Opinions? Comments?

I have thought about your questions seriously.
Sorry to say that I don't see the uniqueness from your examples... ^^;
It looks like just another verison of "different same skills", especially the pld/war example just expanding current skill effect to party members.

For q4and5 about crafters, in ARR the point of crafting is self-sufficient and fun.
It is optional skill of your character and you don't need to craft anything to win any fight. ^^;

[Scootaloo]

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Holy crap! You just more or less pointed out EVERYTHING that I see wrong with the classes as they are! You sir, are FREAKING EPIC!

[Dwill]

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They do not make them stand out or make a difference for you. Exstal was correct here, you ask for a skill that makes them stand out from a scholar. A scholar is more focused toward damage prevention than raw healing output so being able to burst heal is something that do make them stand out. It doesn't stand out for you because you've got this ridiculous idea stuck in your head that each classes should be totally different from another and you've got your own preconceived notions about what would make them stand out so anything that doesn't match to said notions aren't good enough for you, as you've shown here by dismissing any points people brought to you as not being good enough.

Also people are going to have a hard time taking you seriously when you blame all your woes on WoW players while thinking you're some kind of superior being for having played FFXI.

[Cynric]

Holy crap! You just more or less pointed out EVERYTHING that I see wrong with the classes as they are! You sir, are FREAKING EPIC!

Ha thanks. While I know how you feel, I do think that the only reason our current classes function in the basic manner they do is because of 2.0 release / development time. They didn't exactly have a lot of time to change up the formula plus they wanted classes that people who haven't been playing MMO's for a very long time could use to full potential. As for your question. There is no such thing as "perfect" balance, but our current balance could exist with the classes functioning different, and they very well may later into a different level cap and with a(hopeful) change to the armoury and cross class system. We just needed basic bare bones things to revive the game with.

Also I did say a lot of stuff others said in the topic already, our classes really are unique to their other classes in their roles, and a special skill wont help them be more unique. The problem is a bit different than the uniqueness they have from each other, and more so the uniqueness they have from their own basic game play style.

Scholar, Warrior, Monk, Ninja, are definitely going in the right direction though.

[Scootaloo]

Also people are going to have a hard time taking you seriously when you blame all your woes on WoW players while thinking you're some kind of superior being for having played FFXI.

Knew a potshot relating to my playing FFXI was going to occur at one point, I predicted this many pages ago people.

This is what they are reduced to when they have nothing left to prove their point are are ticked off because of this.