Honest question: If every player/class/job is equal,who is unique? (Gameplay topic)

[Deviant1]

In my time playing FFXIV along with keeping track of the live letters and seeing the direction this game is potentially going, it rose several gameplay based concerns of mine.

1. What sets apart one dps class from another besides the names of their skills and the graphics they show?
2. If all tanks get the same line of hate generating skills, what makes the PLD and WAR different beyond their skill names and weapons?
3. How is the sch and whm different from each other if they both heal the same way?
4. If the Novus weapons are so powerful, what use is there for crafters?
5. If the end game raid armors are so powerful, what use is there for crafters?

1. No real difference
2. War is better for AOE hate and PLD is better for dmg mitigation
3. WHM heal for big numbers by themselves, but suffer from Cure reductions (think infirmity) & movement induced spell interuptions. Sch can heal from Fairy while moving & lustrate.
4. creating spirit bond gear for the materia to complete the novus quest
5. see above

There are only 4 roles in a party, with different vanities. Once you get past that, you realize everything else is just eye candy.

1. Tank
2. Heals
3. Ranged DPS
4. Single target DPS

[sammy150105]

Healers rule!! Thought I'd throw that in there :3

[WellGramarye]

Lol@ BLU/ToAU in general.

King Ranperre's Tomb Monk burns were where it was at before all that new fangled bird camp business and ToAU easy mode xp/merits.

:>

[erish]

Lol@ BLU/ToAU in general.

King Ranperre's Tomb Monk burns were where it was at before all that new fangled bird camp business and ToAU easy mode xp/merits.

:>

This person knows the truth!

Best healer for along time up until really aby was rdm,
Blm was terrible for longest time people just didnt realise it because they were so caught up in skillchains.
Blu was horrible for any kind of group event although admitly it has seen a come back over the years in low man stuffs.
Nin having the ultimate evasion?! u wot m8?! anyone with a decently geared thf says otherwise.

Balance in ff11 is a joke, always has been and always will be no point in trying to talk about that further.

Saying that OP i see the argument your trying to make and i get it, its just a shame you went off on some stupid insults and instead try to argue/explain your points more clearly.

[Aegis]

This person knows the truth!

Best healer for along time up until really aby was rdm : SCH 4 lyfe. AOE Phalanx, Stoneskin and Regen, go see what's on Netflix for 3 mins

Blm was terrible for longest time people just didnt realise it because they were so caught up in skillchains. Black Mage were essential for endgame. Sleep/Nukes in Dynamis and low-manning Apollyon.

Blu was horrible for any kind of group event although admitly it has seen a come back over the years in low man stuffs. I used to be given my own light Skillchain duty on Byakko. Main SC/MB would go off, then I would Self-SC light for a second wave of MBs. After they were done, the main SC pair would have their TP back.

Nin having the ultimate evasion?! u wot m8?! anyone with a decently geared thf says otherwise. Yeah, Ninja evasion was good and it had better shadows, but Thief was better. I got my Joyeuse after taking Charby from a NIN + BRD duo after they wiped while Charby still had 80-85% hp left. Thief + Red Mage the rest of the way.

Balance in ff11 is a joke, always has been and always will be no point in trying to talk about that further. Agreed, in that some jobs were much more popular for certain content. But I also think every job (with maybe the exception of PUP [though solo'ing Diabolos comes to mind]) had a niche somewhere in the game.

My $0.02, FWIW

[erish]

My $0.02, FWIW

Missing the most important healing spell HASTE FTW!

In dynamis we always used BRDS to sleep since well there generally better and most of them were /nin because there pulling anyway. In sea we had rdm/whm sleep because well most of it was super easy to sleep. I cant speak for your shell but by the time blu was released SC was pretty much dead, throwing melee at it and zerging was the norm for most shells.

Yeah id say at least at some point in the game every job has had a niche in the game at some point but i much prefer the wow style of design in regards to balance of jobs ie "Bring the player not the job" that we now see to the im sitting in jeuno for hours with my flag up, please god someone invite me anyone i just want to level...

Quick edit: really hate people who say aby ruined the game, if you actually played during this time you would have seen it bought more people back to the game than ever before it was a great time to play the game its a shame so many people who got stuck on low level rubbish spout this.

[Destain]

Super popcorn thread. OP is throwing a hissy fit and feeding on all the attention you are giving him. Constant posters in this topic should just move on. Everyone here is entrenched in their own point of view. No one is going to change anyones opinion. opinion is opinion.

Can't wait for the bold one word cap letters emphasizing something that doesn't with a my little pony theme.

Yes, all jobs are the same. You have HP and use MP or TP to make flashies on the screen. Press buttons, make things happen. The end.

[Scootaloo]

Super popcorn thread. OP is throwing a hissy fit and feeding on all the attention you are giving him. Constant posters in this topic should just move on. Everyone here is entrenched in their own point of view. No one is going to change anyones opinion. opinion is opinion.

Can't wait for the bold one word cap letters emphasizing something that doesn't with a my little pony theme.


Yes, all jobs are the same. You have HP and use MP or TP to make flashies on the screen. Press buttons, make things happen. The end.

*throws food at the troll*

This by far is most lol worthy/pathetic attempt at discrediting me yet, its enough that I choked on the pop I was drinking when I read this due to suddenly laughing so hard.

Dude, do yourself a favor and stay out of this thread while you have the chance to before someone makes you look like an idiot.

[Animarelic]

As an XI player I felt the same way the OP did until... I remembered all the hours I spent LFP versus actually playing XI because I didn't fit a party set up.
While XIV's combat and party system has flaws, it's geared towards everyone using their gaming time more efficiently.
I think one issue is the lack of difficulty it takes to learn a class which also deters people from alienating classes with steeper learning curves.
Yoshi's goal may be to add diversity through different Jobs because if they are evened out then it only becomes a matter of preference which is better than necessity.

[Destain]

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