Relic weapons situation post expansion

[Prototype909]

Why do they have to make it easier? Doesn't that go against the entire concept of a relic weapon in the first place? You don't have to use a relic. There are plenty of alternative weapons to choose from.

Expecting 3.0 era players to have to go through the same grind that players currently doing all this had to go through is insane, especially when shortcuts already exist - after long enough they should exist for the older parts of the relic too so long as the 3.0 equivalents remain similar to what exists now. The idea isn't to make it easier, but rather to allow new players a method by which to catch-up. Otherwise you're effectively going to lock them behind the grind.

[Amused]

Expecting 3.0 era players to have to go through the same grind that players currently doing all this had to go through is insane, especially when shortcuts already exist - after long enough they should exist for the older parts of the relic too so long as the 3.0 equivalents remain similar to what exists now. The idea isn't to make it easier, but rather to allow new players a method by which to catch-up. Otherwise you're effectively going to lock them behind the grind.

Why do they need to be able to catch up right away? It's not like it's impossible for them to build up their relic. I don't see why being a new player entitles them to have quick access to what is supposed to be a legendary weapon. New players don't need relic weapons. Nobody actually needs relic weapons. There are plenty of alternative weapons in the game at this point.

[Ooshima]

Why do they need to be able to catch up right away? It's not like it's impossible for them to build up their relic. I don't see why being a new player entitles them to have quick access to what is supposed to be a legendary weapon. New players don't need relic weapons. Nobody actually needs relic weapons. There are plenty of alternative weapons in the game at this point.

3.0 is a whole new expansion, with totally new contents and progression awaiting for legacy (which is us, who played ARR/2.0) and new players alike.

I see your join date is 2011 and your post is totally amusing. Did you not notice the difference between A Relic Reborn in 1.22 vs 2.0? Players not needed Relic weapon? In patch 2.0 at launch, Relic is the ONLY weapon to go for. You are talking too much about existing options in ARR's time frame which will no longer be relevant in 3.0 contents.

Expect yourself that the final form of the relic weapon will be your entry weapon into 3.0's end game raid.

[Amused]

3.0 is a whole new expansion, with totally new contents and progression awaiting for legacy (which is us, who played ARR/2.0) and new players alike.

I see your join date is 2011 and your post is totally amusing. Did you not notice the difference between A Relic Reborn in 1.22 vs 2.0? Players not needed Relic weapon? In patch 2.0 at launch, Relic is the ONLY weapon to go for. You are talking too much about existing options in ARR's time frame which will no longer be relevant in 3.0 contents.

Expect yourself that the final form of the relic weapon will be your entry weapon into 3.0's end game raid.

There's a huge difference between going from the 1.X version to the 2.X version, because they're nearly entirely different games. An expansion will not be an entirely different game. Please give me a reason why newer players deserve a free pass to a highly powered relic weapon when items of equivalent item level are also available?

[Ooshima]

There's a huge difference between going from the 1.X version to the 2.X version, because they're nearly entirely different games. An expansion will not be an entirely different game. Please give me a reason why newer players deserve a free pass to a highly powered relic weapon when items of equivalent item level are also available?

There is undoubtedly a difference of course but you fail to look at the bigger picture. The whole of the Saga of the Zodiac Weapons is a 2.2-2.59999999999 time frame thing. Do you seriously think the developers will port this whole thing over and want their new customers on the expansion to go through all these things at status quo?

I'm sorry but I am certain they won't. It doesn't make sense, it doesn't make business sense. You released an expansion with lots of new things and contents and you want your new customers to get on hand and enjoy it right a launch with existing player base. The relic will be the starting end game weapon for both legacy and new players alike most likely, and the method to obtain it will be a much more condensed path just like how 1.22 A Relic Reborn was condensed into 2.0's version.

[Amused]

There is undoubtedly a difference of course but you fail to look at the bigger picture. The whole of the Saga of the Zodiac Weapons is a 2.2-2.59999999999 time frame thing. Do you seriously think the developers will port this whole thing over and want their new customers on the expansion to go through all these things at status quo?

I'm sorry but I am certain they won't. It doesn't make sense, it doesn't make business sense. You released an expansion with lots of new things and contents and you want your new customers to get on hand and enjoy it right a launch with existing player base. The relic will be the starting end game weapon for both legacy and new players alike most likely, and the method to obtain it will be a much more condensed path just like how 1.22 A Relic Reborn was condensed into 2.0's version.

But here's the thing, they don't need the relic weapon, that's what my point was. When they hit the new level cap, assuming they raise it, there will be new weapons that will be as powerful or more powerful than a relic. It's optional content, meant to be a long term goal.

[Ooshima]

But here's the thing, they don't need the relic weapon, that's what my point was. When they hit the new level cap, assuming they raise it, there will be new weapons that will be as powerful or more powerful than a relic. It's optional content, meant to be a long term goal.

nvm I'm just repeating myself lol.

I just don't want to touch on the word "need" again, it is a too long and tiring argument.

[Karen_Cerfrumos]

3.0 is a whole new expansion, with totally new contents and progression awaiting for legacy (which is us, who played ARR/2.0) and new players alike.

I see your join date is 2011 and your post is totally amusing. Did you not notice the difference between A Relic Reborn in 1.22 vs 2.0? Players not needed Relic weapon? In patch 2.0 at launch, Relic is the ONLY weapon to go for. You are talking too much about existing options in ARR's time frame which will no longer be relevant in 3.0 contents.

Expect yourself that the final form of the relic weapon will be your entry weapon into 3.0's end game raid.

It's probably unfair to compare the jump from 1.x to 2.0 to the transition from 2.x to 3.0, about which we don't know anything yet. So far with 2.x series they've shown they're gonna offer alternatives at all times. A lengthy, tedious questline should not be a pass into the next tier of raiding, because well... Look how that worked out for Wildstar.