Please give us "harder" 4-man's

[Jaykos]

I'm a heroic (mythic) raider. That's how I fell in love with WoW. But they can't sustain the game alone.

There's a widespread misunderstanding that most people even want to be "brought up." Everyone has the tools and capability to do anything. How many do it?

We thought in Cata that we could entice players to rise to the occasion to do harder content. But, you know, some players just said that's not why they play the game. More power to them.

What you're asking for will lose subscribers and possibly kill the game. Wow tried the same thing going into cata with harder 5 mans and we all know what happened there. There's content for casuals and hardcores and in SE's design the 4 mans are the casual group play content and coil ex's are the hardcore group play content.

This thread is the 5% of FF14 players asking for content that will take from the 95% (that don't even come to the forums remember) that pay their subs so the 5% can even have a raid.

[Craiger]

I'm a heroic (mythic) raider. That's how I fell in love with WoW. But they can't sustain the game alone.

There's a widespread misunderstanding that most people even want to be "brought up." Everyone has the tools and capability to do anything. How many do it?

We thought in Cata that we could entice players to rise to the occasion to do harder content. But, you know, some players just said that's not why they play the game. More power to them.

What you're asking for will lose subscribers and possibly kill the game. Wow tried the same thing going into cata with harder 5 mans and we all know what happened there. There's content for casuals and hardcores and in SE's design the 4 mans are the casual group play content and coil ex's are the hardcore group play content.

This thread is the 5% of FF14 players asking for content that will take from the 95% (that don't even come to the forums remember) that pay their subs so the 5% can even have a raid.

That's one of the problems I've said before... You say "There's content for casuals and hardcores and in SE's design the 4 mans are the casual group play content and coil ex's are the hardcore group play content.". That should be fixed, cause the majority of players fall somewhere in-between, at least in my experience... Dungeons is too casual, and Coil requires you to be in a Static with voice communication etc, if you want it to be relevant. You can wait for Coil to be PUG:able, but that's just frustrating most of the time, and a lot of rage... I do it, but I would much rather play something that is hard, but is doable and fun with random people... Or just people that learn quickly, but don't have time/want to learn the fights in Coil. Dungeons doesn't have the annoying lock-out either.

[Ultimatecalibur]

This thread is the 5% of FF14 players asking for content that will take from the 95% (that don't even come to the forums remember) that pay their subs so the 5% can even have a raid.

Uhm, no, its for the 35% to 45% of the player base know as the "Mid-core."

"Mid-core" is the section of the player base between the 5% to 10% of the player base known as the "Hardcore" and the remaining 50% to 60% known as "Casuals."

[Craiger]

Uhm, no, its for the 35% to 45% of the player base know as the "Mid-core."

"Mid-core" is the section of the player base between the 5% to 10% of the player base known as the "Hardcore" and the remaining 50% to 60% known as "Casuals."

Finally someone who understands that a big portion of the player base doesn't really fit into either the casual players or the hardcore players... But a lot of people here doesn't understand that, and more importantly, SE doesn't understand it. They make extremely easy content for casuals, and then make more hard content for hardcore players, then they think they have covered all their bases...

SE better start acknowledge us soon, cause that's a big chunk of their community that is starting to get bored...

[Dwill]

Finally someone who understands that a big portion of the player base doesn't really fit into either the casual players or the hardcore players... But a lot of people here doesn't understand that, and more importantly, SE doesn't understand it. They make extremely easy content for casuals, and then make more hard content for hardcore players, then they think they have covered all their bases...

SE better start acknowledge us soon, cause that's a big chunk of their community that is starting to get bored...

Extreme and Second Coil actually fit the description about what that "mid-core" group can do.

[Ultimatecalibur]

Extreme and Second Coil actually fit the description about what that "mid-core" group can do.

The EX Primals and First Coil are devalued Hardcore content. Not really Mid-Core, but doable because of extreme overgearing and Echo bonuses. Only about 15% of the playerbase can clear T5 making Second Coil far from Mid-Core content.

For Amdapor the fight turns a bit harder when DPS are i55 and they have to break the healer out of the prison ASAP. And so goes the list.

Funny thing you can actual prevent yourself from getting eaten by the Gourmand in that fight, but not many know how to do this: stand in the fuzzy AoE area once you get marked. I suspect it is how people were supposed to learn/practice tactics for T6.

[Alukah]

The current dungeons aren't even that easy, the thing is people are too overgeared for them, that's why the only solution here is ilvl sync.

[sidestory] A few months ago I did Haukke HM with a party where the average level wasn't higher than i55 (only my healer was i90), we wiped so many times to the last boss just because we couldn't meet the DPS checks when the adds spawned, fast forward two months later the same party did the same dungeon from HL roulette, we hit an enrage because we DPSed the main boss way too fast, our WHM had to sit there and not dps to avoid wiping again. [/sidestory]

Doing hullbreaker or tam-tara hm with a full i80 party is really far from a faceroll.

[Nestama]

we hit an enrage because we DPSed the main boss way too fast

Wait, the boss has a second enrage? I thought she only enraged after 6 minutes.

[Alukah]

Wait, the boss has a second enrage? I thought she only enraged after 6 minutes.

It wasn't an enrage per se, we dpsed the boss way too fast and she didn't have the time to eat all adds, for some reason the system took it as if we didn't kill one of the adds and blood rain dealt the maximum damage. This is what happens when they have hard-scripted fights triggered by hp%.

[PArcher]

An (optional) ilv sync would solve this. The dungeons are easy 99% of the time due to overgearing.

AK/WP/Castrum/Pray = 60 max
Copper/Haukke/Pharos = 70 max
Halitali/Bray/City = 80 max
Hullbreaker/SV/Tam-Tara = 90 max

But, make it optional and who would do it?