Monk - Ranged "Pulling" Ability

[Samsta]

I'm not really sure how a thread asking for a simple ranged pulling ability has started to derail into arguments and comparisons about DPS. What on earth does high DPS have to do with being able to pull a group of mobs without using your face?

It has everything to do with it, as I have explained before, since the only this this drawbacks affects is your solo content, and having a high single targets dps makes certain solo content easier, and not having a ranged ability makes certain content harder.

Just like with Surani's post, what on earth does this have to do with wanting a ranged pulling ability? First we managed to get to Monks having high single target damage somehow being a good reason for not having a ranged pulling skill. Now you're on about certain classes (which includes Monk) having to practice resource management more than others as an excuse for Monks not having a ranged pulling ability. I'm curious as to what's going to come next.

You are not really understanding my post that well, I argued against the argument that said that this is the only situation where a certain class only has a disadvantage in a certain area of the game, and I gave an example about other situation. The resource management part was just part of my example.

This is an even more ridiculous argument than saying giving Monks a ranged attack would destroy class uniqueness. You could apply the same poor argument to WHM having a hard time soloing lengthy content. "Hey, it's okay that you might OOM, your chocobo can help you dps and tank!", but that doesn't really address the problem.

Yes, my point was exactly that there is no problem, and whm should not get any relief to it's mana problems, as monk should not get any ranged abilities. Also the chocobo DOES help even when you pull multiple mobs.

[ElHeggunte]

It has everything to do with it, as I have explained before, since the only this this drawbacks affects is your solo content, and having a high single targets dps makes certain solo content easier, and not having a ranged ability makes certain content harder.

It really doesn't. You're also seriously overstating Monk's DPS in solo situations. Yes, well-geared Monk does incredible single target damage when there's someone else controlling the mob and you're able to go through your rotation properly and uninterrupted, but good luck doing much more damage than anyone else when you can't reach the rear or flank (read: whenever you're solo).

You act like Monk blows everyone else out of the water all the time when that's hardly the case, especially when solo. We still do better than some other classes, but it's a wild exaggeration to think that DPS in select group content carries over into everything else.

You are not really understanding my post that well, I argued against the argument that said that this is the only situation where a certain class only has a disadvantage in a certain area of the game, and I gave an example about other situation. The resource management part was just part of my example.

I know what you were getting at, but just like bringing up Monk's DPS it still doesn't have anything to do with wanting a simple ranged pulling ability. It's an apple to oranges comparison.

Yes, my point was exactly that there is no problem, and whm should not get any relief to it's mana problems, as monk should not get any ranged abilities. Also the chocobo DOES help even when you pull multiple mobs.

What? The real problem here is you keep making bad comparisons in an attempt to justify Monk having a tough time pulling mobs. White Mage's resource management and Monk's ranged ability (or rather, the lack of) are both "disadvantages", but it's still comparing apples to oranges. Especially since in a long solo fight where a White Mage might go OOM and Monk is going to run out of TP too, but since you already have wild misconceptions about Monk's gameplay I don't feel like explaining how that's more detrimental to Monk's DPS than you apparently think.

Also, since everyone else can use Chocobos too that's still a poor excuse and another poor comparison. The Chocobo isn't even helpful enough to bring up in the first place, but given the other post he made I'm pretty sure Uninstall was just trying to stir the pot instead of foster actual conversation anyway.

[Rochedalaix]

It has everything to do with it, as I have explained before, since the only this this drawbacks affects is your solo content, and having a high single targets dps makes certain solo content easier, and not having a ranged ability makes certain content harder.



You are not really understanding my post that well, I argued against the argument that said that this is the only situation where a certain class only has a disadvantage in a certain area of the game, and I gave an example about other situation. The resource management part was just part of my example.




Yes, my point was exactly that there is no problem, and whm should not get any relief to it's mana problems, as monk should not get any ranged abilities. Also the chocobo DOES help even when you pull multiple mobs.

Your argument is silly because Monks having low AOE dmg, is the trade off for its high Single Target dmg not having a ranged attack.

[ChaozK]

Your argument is silly because Monks having low AOE dmg, is the trade off for its high Single Target dmg not having a ranged attack.

Surely thats why they buffed BLM single target dps to be almost on par with MNKs.

[Rochedalaix]

Surely thats why they buffed BLM single target dps to be almost on par with MNKs.

And this post has to do with what exactly?

[ChaozK]

And this post has to do with what exactly?

Seriously?

I am going to assume that you are aware that BLM AOE is quite strong. So them having the second best single target dps should make clear that mnks low AOE is not the reason why their single target dps is so high. If it was, BLM would be bottom single target dps.

[Rochedalaix]

Seriously?

I am going to assume that you are aware that BLM AOE is quite strong. So them having the second best single target dps should make clear that mnks low AOE is not the reason why their single target dps is so high. If it was, BLM would be bottom single target dps.

BLM's and MNK's are balanced around different concepts which is why your post has nothing to do with anything.

[ChaozK]

BLM's and MNK's are balanced around different concepts which is why your post has nothing to do with anything.

My post is relevant in the regard that MNKs deal high dps because of higher ramp up time and dependency on GL upkeep, not because of low AOE, just as BLMs deal high dmg because of cast time issues. AOE has never been a factor when it comes to single target dps.
Just because you dont see the connection doesnt mean there isnt any.