We definitely need a Puppetmaster Job in this game!

[Aegis]

Also forget customization because there would be a BiS setup that you would have to use to even be taken seriously.

I would rather ANY other FFXI class.

It's the same with everything in this game. It's all vertical progression, no room for unusual builds or gearsets. I wouldn't single PUP out for this. It's the same as saying there's only one set up for BRD's novus and you have to use it to even be taken seriously.

Also, while it was certainly a less popular job everyone I know that played it to 75 absolutely loved it as much or more than their other jobs.

[coldreactive]

If we do get a puppetmaster job, it will not be the same as it was in FF11 at all. Developers have said time and time again that they are making the game as different as possible from FF11. It will probably end up being more akin to an "Allagmancer" that can summon mechanical summons like I suggested in my Class/Job thread:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...gestion-Thread

[Aegis]

Developers have said time and time again that they are making the game as different as possible from FF11.

Umm.. you maybe overstating things there. Imma need to see a quote where they say 'as different as possible'.

We have the same jobs, the same races, many of the same beastmen (obv things like cactuars are in every FF, but non Mamool Ja), the armoury system bears more than a striking resemblence to FFXI's job system.

As different as possible? Hardly

[coldreactive]

We have the same jobs

Ninja isn't an eva tank.

[Aegis]

Ninja isn't an eva tank.

Didn't you hear? It wasn't in XI either. We were just playing it wrong all these years ;D

[coldreactive]

Didn't you hear? It wasn't in XI either. We were just playing it wrong all these years ;D

It's unlikely FFXIV's Ninja will even allow one second of eva tanking due to "Playing it wrong." ;D

[Aegis]

It's unlikely FFXIV's Ninja will even allow one second of eva tanking due to "Playing it wrong." ;D

Yeah, like they patched out Titan tanking Ramuh.

This game needs at some point to start getting complicated, to start allowing players to 'break it' slightly through unforseen consequences. They need to start letting some control slip to players. I don't want to hear about the party that managed to squeeze enough DPS to beat x boss. I wanna hear about the one SCH killing him over 4 hours, or the SMN duo pet-swapping to a win. If it's ridiculously easy, then patch it out. If it showed skill and cunning let it stand.

[RedAntares]

Naruto is that way ----->

Jokes aside though I think they already said that they don't want to make a "pet" centric class when people asked for this for SMN because it would be kinda difficult to control the pets in some of the fights and it would take a lot of micro to be able to play it right or something like that.

[Duelle]

Also, while it was certainly a less popular job everyone I know that played it to 75 absolutely loved it as much or more than their other jobs.

So because you loved it, it has to absolutely be in the game....

The thing about PUP is that it was mired by poor design and lack of balancing. For example, maneuvers wouldn't really work here because combat is faster than FFXI's (not to mention the concpet of maneuvers were sort of modified to create NIN mudras). Then comes the issue of how strong the master should be. PUP when originally implemented was very weak since their pet was supposed to be the stronger of the two. It was when they discovered the job as a whole was a joke that they decided to buff the master and give them access to the stronger HTH weapon skills. Valor Edge and the ranged one for a long while were useless next to the caster automaton, largely due to PUPs using ADA to get around the recast timer inherent to pets (this is one of the few instances where the job was competitive DPS-wise; exploiting the system to get around recast timers).

PUP was essentially BST v2.0 community wise, and while some may be willing to sit through that for the sake of being different/special, it's not a good thing in the long run. You're welcome to give suggestions on how the job could work within the current game, within the current systems in place. I'm half tempted to cook up a suggestion myself just to see if the job can actually work and gauge how much the concept would have to change to be a non-joke job.

[WellFooled]

So because you loved it, it has to absolutely be in the game....

This isn't what he said :P He was just stressing that it was a much loved class by those that played as it. In other words, it was a cult classic.

The thing about PUP is that it was mired by poor design and lack of balancing...

While I appreciate that Puppetmaster was a flawed class in FFXI, this has nothing to do with its possible design and inclusion in FFXIV. Every job that exists in FFXIV that also existed in FFXI is handled very differently. So the flaws from FFXI have no baring on what could happen in FFXIV.

You're welcome to give suggestions on how the job could work within the current game, within the current systems in place. I'm half tempted to cook up a suggestion myself just to see if the job can actually work and gauge how much the concept would have to change to be a non-joke job.

I would love to see what you'd cook up. There are a million ways that Puppetmaster could be designed for FFXIV, but so long as it stays true to the spirit of the class then I think Puppetmaster fans will be content. The purpose of this thread doesn't seem to me to be about the details, but rather the desire.

I loved Puppetmaster. In fact, I think I loved it more than my main job. If Puppetmaster was added to FFXIV there's a good chance I would never touch my other jobs again. I wholeheartedly support Puppetmaster for FFXIV.