We definitely need a Puppetmaster Job in this game!

[coldreactive]

Didn't you hear? It wasn't in XI either. We were just playing it wrong all these years ;D

It's unlikely FFXIV's Ninja will even allow one second of eva tanking due to "Playing it wrong." ;D

[Aegis]

It's unlikely FFXIV's Ninja will even allow one second of eva tanking due to "Playing it wrong." ;D

Yeah, like they patched out Titan tanking Ramuh.

This game needs at some point to start getting complicated, to start allowing players to 'break it' slightly through unforseen consequences. They need to start letting some control slip to players. I don't want to hear about the party that managed to squeeze enough DPS to beat x boss. I wanna hear about the one SCH killing him over 4 hours, or the SMN duo pet-swapping to a win. If it's ridiculously easy, then patch it out. If it showed skill and cunning let it stand.

[coldreactive]

Yeah, like they patched out Titan tanking Ramuh.

This game needs at some point to start getting complicated, to start allowing players to 'break it' slightly through unforseen consequences. They need to start letting some control slip to players. I don't want to hear about the party that managed to squeeze enough DPS to beat x boss. I wanna hear about the one SCH killing him over 4 hours, or the SMN duo pet-swapping to a win. If it's ridiculously easy, then patch it out. If it showed skill and cunning let it stand.

They already nerfed Sustain to the point where it's even harder to finish the SMN Job quest.

[Mugiawara]

Yeah, like they patched out Titan tanking Ramuh.

This game needs at some point to start getting complicated.

They did that because it excluded Tanks. I thought it was cool but yeah...that's probably why.
Also, game won't be complicated, jobs like Puppeteers won't ever get anywhere.
They try to make this game so simple, they watered down jobs to a degree.
SE doesn't want players confused or stressing them out...Treatin' us like moron's is what I'm seeing.

[Aegis]

They did that because it excluded Tanks. I thought it was cool but yeah...that's probably why.

But did it really? Were tanks unable to get in any party? I imagine Tanks were still more in demand than say, BLM.

Even at the height of the chicken nugget tanking craze a PLD would get an easier party invite than a DRG would before, during or after.


Pre 2.1 there were SMN speed-runs of Wanderer's Palace. Didn't need any tanks or healers. That didn't result in any buffs/nerfs.

/they were fun, too.

[Duelle]

But did it really? Were tanks unable to get in any party? I imagine Tanks were still more in demand than say, BLM.

You're trying too hard to ignore the fact that people were using Titan to bypass a mechanic of the fight itself. That's why they had to do what they needed to do with it. Yes, people were excluding tanks because WAR and PLD could not ignore Ramuh's mechanics. What the devs simply did is nip it in the bud before people started getting too used to pulling things like that, as innaction in such a situation would lead to bigger problems. It's small scale compared to Utsusemi tanking and Reckoning Bomb, but that does not exclude it from being dealt with.

[Brine_Gildchaff]

Yeah, like they patched out Titan tanking Ramuh.

This game needs at some point to start getting complicated, to start allowing players to 'break it' slightly through unforseen consequences. They need to start letting some control slip to players. I don't want to hear about the party that managed to squeeze enough DPS to beat x boss. I wanna hear about the one SCH killing him over 4 hours, or the SMN duo pet-swapping to a win. If it's ridiculously easy, then patch it out. If it showed skill and cunning let it stand.

Okay.
So how about the team of 8 black mages that killed King Mog HM without a single healer in the group? The team that used Titan-egi to tank the King on Thornmarch EX to allow for a "three-tank" setup with no need to deal with the tank-swap mechanic? Turn 2 Enrage? The 2 SMN + 2 SCH team that 4-manned Leviathan Extreme? I don't see Square patching out any of those.
I'm really getting tired of people bringing this one up. The Titan strat was patched out because at implementation, Ramuh could not kill Titan-egi. This led to a majority of parties deliberately and aggressively excluding any and all tanks from Ramuh EX and playing the fight in such a way that the fight was ludicrously simple. There are -plenty- of neat strategies players are more than welcome to come up with, stop using one example that players were using to shut two whole jobs out of endgame content to further your absurd claims that "Square doesn't want people going off-script".

[Aegis]

The 2 SMN + 2 SCH team that 4-manned Leviathan Extreme? I don't see Square patching out any of those.

There are -plenty- of neat strategies players are more than welcome to come up with, stop using one example that players were using to shut two whole jobs out of endgame content to further your absurd claims that "Square doesn't want people going off-script".

Isn't 2xSCH + 2xSMN also shutting jobs out of endgame? I'm not following your logic.