Thread: 2.0 content progression vs 2.1+

Originally Posted by Craiger

You make some points, but you're still missing my point about the dungeon difficulty... You say the problem is that people get matched with too geared players, but what about players that are already too geared for it themselves

As already stated, those players outgeared that content themselves. Either to bypass the gear drops of dungeons through farming e.g. hunts, or by playing higher end content and obtaining gear through there. If players who enjoy just dungeons, stick to just dungeons without taking the easy route, this'd be a non-issue. An iLvL 105 for example is not something obtained through just dungeon gear. Even with tokens gathered throughout the weeks, iLvL 105 is not what will be obtained.

Originally Posted by Edli

That's not a problem, that's how games work. A player will always find the most efficient way in beating the game, that's what is fun about it. If a game allows the player to easily outgear the biggest part of the game thus making it easy that is the game's fault not the player's fault.

It's not the game's fault the players are taking on raiding gear to complain about the ease of dungeons. And even though they either keep on failing on raiding content or don't even try, to then still state the endgame content would be too easy. Even with the duration of SCoB having been available, the fraction of players who've cleared it is minimal. Ramuh Ex, same story. The number of players who've even managed to down T6 is relatively minimal. Many PUGs still wipe on T5. Endgame in this game is challenging enough as is.

Heck, even ST and CT are challenging to many players. It's only for the fact that a lot of endgame players still farm ST which makes it easy, the carry rate is high. Step into CT these days and be in for a wipe-fest session.

Originally Posted by Edli

What raiding gear are you talking about? Soldiery has been around for ages and you can get it just by doing random crap. Everyone and their mom is already decked out in soldiery gear. Even if we ignore soldiery for whatever reason you still have myth gear which is ridiculously easy to obtain and players already had plenty of it when the dungeons were released.

The dungeons are already over geared by the player base the moment they were released and the players didn't have to do anything.

Both myth and soldiery are gear pieces which are aimed at providing entry level gear into raiding content. It is not gear which is balanced out for dungeon content. Merely handing out players a natural flow of progression through content and a little extra help for those who need it in raiding. Dungeon gear sets are the ones that drop within the actual dungeons.

Something which has been standard practise in many MMO's for most of the past decade.

Originally Posted by Fornix

As already stated, those players outgeared that content themselves. Either to bypass the gear drops of dungeons through farming e.g. hunts, or by playing higher end content and obtaining gear through there. If players who enjoy just dungeons, stick to just dungeons without taking the easy route, this'd be a non-issue. An iLvL 105 for example is not something obtained through just dungeon gear. Even with tokens gathered throughout the weeks, iLvL 105 is not what will be obtained.



It's not the game's fault the players are taking on raiding gear to complain about the ease of dungeons. And even though they either keep on failing on raiding content or don't even try, to then still state the endgame content would be too easy. Even with the duration of SCoB having been available, the fraction of players who've cleared it is minimal. Ramuh Ex, same story. The number of players who've even managed to down T6 is relatively minimal. Many PUGs still wipe on T5. Endgame in this game is challenging enough as is.

Heck, even ST and CT are challenging to many players. It's only for the fact that a lot of endgame players still farm ST which makes it easy, the carry rate is high. Step into CT these days and be in for a wipe-fest session.

Wait what?!

Are you seriously saying that the game should be split in 2, 1 part for raiders and 1 part for "only dungeon players"? What game do you think this? Should I just do dungeons and only use dungeon gear, and then wait for the next patch to get dungeon gear there? I would have to ignore the tomes I get, cause I would still be steamrolling the dungeons if I get gear from that... and I wouldn't be able to do the primals, hunts or Relic quest, cause that would make me steamroll it. Effectively I would be playing a small percentage of the game.

Do you take me for some super casual, who can only play 1-2 hours a week or something?

If you only come in and do your weekly raid each week, why are you playing the game in the first place? It's only once per week... There are a ton of other content to do in the game too, and that content should be fun to do even if you have good enough gear to do raids. Since you have good enough gear for raids as soon as the patch releases, do you just leave the dungeons and all other content behind, and just do the weekly raid? That sounds like exactly the thing that made hardcore players leave in 2.0...

EDIT: Also, ST is hard? Are you looking down on players like me? It's not easy cause I have highly geared players carrying me, it's easy cause the mechanics of the fight is really really easy... Just because I don't like being in a static and being first to down the raids, doesn't mean I couldn't do it if I wanted...