Crit vs. Det Warrior

[Steady]

I don't DPS much, but am reaching a point where I an afford to add some to my warrior... so I'm curious what stats I should be pumping?

Most tell me Det... but I would think that a Defiance Stanced Warrior would benefit more from Crit, since Wrath stacks add critical hits already at a flat percent, wouldnt you simply be further increasing an innate stat.

Or... would Det be the greater gains,simply because there's considerably less points attributed to it?

Here's where I am currently -

Critical Hit Rate 397
Determination 216

(A note. My current build has been primarily stacking Parry over all other secondary stats)
I'm also not entirely certain how damage stats work compared to FFXI.

I remember in FFXI Damage was something like... Attack increase the Damage Ceiling while Strength increased the Damage floor, or something like that. Can I assume that Strength/Determination work the same way on a graph?

[Rbstr]

Even with wrath stacks Det is a stronger damage stat. Point for point Det is the strongest secondary.

As far as how damage stats work:
Strength is a linear increase in damage. Det is a linear increase too, it's just not as powerful. (technically it's a linear increase in everything: physical damage, magic damage and healing strength)
Crit, averaged out, is a linear increase in DPS as well (if there aren't crit-based procs). But again less powerful per point that det.

[SpookyGhost]

1.) STR > DET > Crit, point for point.
2.) I'd suggest either pentamelding i90 crafted accessories or getting i110 STR accessories. Both will give you a huge increase in DPS and also still put you above the threshold to main tank every turn in SCoB except T9 (though with crafted you probably still can).
3.) Another way of getting more STR is to buy a stat reset scroll from your GC and allocating all your points into STR if you haven't already.
4.) Tanking comes first, DPSing comes second. If you don't meet the HP threshold for the content you're currently doing, you're going to die and all the STR in the world won't save you. The best left side set you can get in terms of min/max DPS while still maintaining a good amount of accuracy is Noct Head/High Allagan Body/High Allagan Gloves/High Allagan Belt/High Allagan Trousers/Noct Feet. All of this costs you no VIT, so if you're strictly looking to increase your secondary stat DPS then that's the set you're going to want (it's also the set you're going to want regardless so... yeah, aim for those pieces).
5.) Secondary stats on gear are kind of... bad in this game. Parry is a notable example - while it DOES increase your Parry rate, it takes many many many points to see even a small increase in overall mitigation. Determination is okay, but it's really hard to come by and is similar to Parry in that it is a very very very small increase in DPS. Basically, if you plan on increasing your DPS at all, you're going to need to trade VIT for STR - how you do this depends on how much gil/time you have, but it is way better than trying to min/max useless secondary stats.
6.) For more information about gear and Warrior in general, check out this thread: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-Tanking-Guide
It's potentially the only good WAR guide out there and should give you quite a bit of good information in regards to playing WAR as effectively as possible.

Good luck!

[Steady]

Yeah I've went 30Str, but reset for Solo Tank Ramuh runs. Extra HP can be nice for that. I already have i100 Drg gear I could hunt my way to 110, but was largely refering to respecing my Novus to be Nexus, since I kinda went cheap on the last few melds, or possibly swapping out some "Parry" tank gear, for ones that add Crit/Det.

Crit's just so much more satisfying to see :P.

[RhazeCain]

For Novus, and I assume Nexus, Det beats Crit because it's a 1-for-1 situation.

For other gear situations, I would rate them about equally (in the uneven ratio typically found on gear).

One interesting note is that i90 crafted gear is more efficient way to gain STR than the 30 point respec. Suppose you're a full i110 tank with VIT jewelry and 30 bonus points in VIT: Respec trades 30 Vit for 30 Str, but replacing all 5 jewelry pieces with i90 pentamelds trades 30 Vit for 65 Str (ignoring secondary stats).

Regarding parry: How far are you willing to lower your defense in order to up offense? Personally, I like tanking the hardest content out there, so I keep a lot in parry. Switching to Crit/Det in some situations would be respectable.

[Steady]

For Novus, and I assume Nexus, Det beats Crit because it's a 1-for-1 situation.

For other gear situations, I would rate them about equally (in the uneven ratio typically found on gear).

One interesting note is that i90 crafted gear is more efficient way to gain STR than the 30 point respec. Suppose you're a full i110 tank with VIT jewelry and 30 bonus points in VIT: Respec trades 30 Vit for 30 Str, but replacing all 5 jewelry pieces with i90 pentamelds trades 30 Vit for 65 Str (ignoring secondary stats).

Regarding parry: How far are you willing to lower your defense in order to up offense? Personally, I like tanking the hardest content out there, so I keep a lot in parry. Switching to Crit/Det in some situations would be respectable.

In most cases, I'm substituting accuracy at this point, now that essential drops are falling to me. With more tools for accuracy I can do more than just focus on it and Parry.

[SeraviEdalborez]

Regarding parry: How far are you willing to lower your defense in order to up offense? Personally, I like tanking the hardest content out there, so I keep a lot in parry. Switching to Crit/Det in some situations would be respectable.

You should not notice a significant difference when dropping parry, seeing as the only tank damage that "really matters" in this game are "tank-killer" moves from bosses like Mountain Buster, Death Sentence, Ravensbeak etc or a lot of rapid hits (boss+add at same time intended to be duo-tanked, mass dungeon pulls). "On average"-type mitigation like Parry doesn't really matter because good healers pre-heal and pre-healing is pretty much always done with the intent that you have to heal as if you weren't going to parry/block anyways.

Foregoing parry isn't really lowering your defense by much at all.

[SpookyGhost]

Ah, for your Nexus, gotcha. I'd steer clear of Parry entirely and just go ACC/DET/Crit, though DET can be rather costly if you intend on buying IVs. Skill Speed can also help to an extent (depending on how much is on your other gear) by reaching the 421 SS to get off an extra attack during your Berserk uptime. Just remember that the only really important secondary stat is Accuracy (specifically for Coils) and that anything else you get will be a minor increase in either damage or survivability - basically, don't go bankrupt min/maxing your Nexus.

Oh, also, SS/Crit/Det works well too if you don't feel the need to get accuracy on your wep.

[krazyrs]

yea im 69 /75 on my WAR novus right now, slowly adding those DET IVs as i make them, already have PLD novus done tho
went acc22/crit22/det31 on the axe with 30/30 str, just those det IVs @ 515k/e lol

[SirTaint]

With the ability to respec the best way is to just farm your own Det IVs. Acc/det/crit and slowly remove crit.