Urgently Change your Approach SE

[Shougun]

Sure, some of us may understand programming and may understand that it takes time to implement features from a theoretical level, but we programmers have no possible way of knowing how that effects this specific application since not one of us has any domain knowledge for FFXIV's servers or engine. I believe it's quite safe to assume no one has that knowledge in this player base outside of the few devs that play, and they most certainly won't be the ones posting here. Just because something may seem like a small tweak on the outside does not mean for one second that the underlying system could possibly handle that "tweak" without a serious overhaul.

Being a programmer myself it makes me know one thing for sure. I know that I know nothing about this game's architecture. I can theorize possible ways systems may work on the back end, but it likely won't be the way it actually works.

I honestly can't tell you how often I've seen this happen where I work now and at past jobs. It's never as simple as you think it will be. Suggest ideas, changes, tweaks, new features to your hearts content, but I see no reason we can't be a bit more respectful about it.

Oh yeah, it is hard to tell how much something would take - in both directions (not as often for larger ideas, but sometimes you've got the prerequisites just sitting around already lol). However, if the simplest change is "too much" then they should just shut the forums down and tell us to gtfriendlyo, I'm not saying you said this exactly - but I think that starting from "you have no clue john snow, please stahp" is a very slippery slope to "you cant suggest that because, because". I know that my request of instanced housing is not going to happen over night and you can find me saying this multiple times in other threads, I've even said "I hope players have patience to see a better system if the devs admit to a fault" and I said something very similar before housing came out because I suspected this housing issue would have happened (issue -> imo, lol).

In respect to another comment about people not voicing their opinions early enough and getting pissed too late, I've been asking for instanced housing before beta (2.0), through beta, and now. I just don't see the cons being worth the pros to make it any other way, the community aspect is pretty void when it is individual players - it does work a bit for FC housing though (lots of players, high chance that at least one person in that FC is on and near). And for me the pros of an instanced system as demonstrated by systems like Wild Stars are just too awesome to not "want". If they said "alright alright, Shougun just because you wanted it (LOL!) we will make instanced housing but it wont be out till 3.0" I would honestly say "<3 you YoshiP, please be sure you compete well with other MMOs, I'm very excited!".

I'm not in a hurry but I do except high quality. The housing system and the chocobo training systems are alright, as I said on the first page of this thread I'm not dying but I would not put "housing" or "chocobo" on a list why someone should come play FFXIV because other MMOs I've played have done it much better, and I expect the development team to be aware of other games and try to learn and top those other games. I'm a little concerned that the housing incident is indicative of Yoshida's mind overall but I have a stronger feeling that they are working really hard to make another "2.0" feeling in 3.0 - since they've said in interviews that 3.0 will be about the size of 2.0, that's pretty damn big lol. That and they said it would be coming sooner than we expected . . .(soon™?), so again my guess is they are working hard to pull another 2.0 feeling.

I'm patient, but I'm not satisfied with mediocre content, and I realize that is a perspective, I'm not going to argue if someone else thinks its great so long as they know their's is a perspective too. I suppose I had a bias for a much higher expectation then they wanted to deliver, thus lower than what I expected.. If I'm alone then Yoshida can safely ignore me, if I'm not and other people wanted a system that had no availability issues and more powerful designing capabilities.. then I suppose Yoshida might put it on his brainstorm list.

As for saying rude things to the devs I rely on the moderators to make the right choice. I mean if we got so sensitive that someone saying "I don't think this content is very fun, and I see a bunch of serious flaws that make no sense to me, what are you guys thinking "insert dev here" got you banned then we would absolutely have the chilling effect on these forums. Might as well start nailing in the coffin that the devs don't care or listen, people would lose faith in such actions. The moderators on this forum seem to be very open to dialog though, I won't mention the topic cause its a hot one but I liked how hard they tried to keep the hot topics going and not just "ha, locked".

I definitely agree there is no reason to be rude "are you an idiot "blah"? you've made the worst decision in the record of development, you should be fired, I hope you never get hired again - you will be in the books for what not to do -swear- -swear- -swear-", if I was a moderator I would have a strong feeling to take some sort of action.

+1 for having friendly discussion in depth, and I mostly agree - just as I touched upon at the top, I think it can turn into a scapegoat so I'm not as much a fan of "know your stuff or don't talk" vs "some stupid stuff might be said, but at least we talked".