Urgently Change your Approach SE

[RakaMaimhov]

I just don't see how any of these problems are worth making angry threads insisting "these problems are urgent fix them now!" when at most they're just some minor gripes.

A lot of minor gripes add up to an unpleasant game experience.

Some of us can only stand so many disappointments before we start to wonder if we couldn't enjoy ourselves more somewhere else.

I want to love this game, but lately I feel like I have to try really hard to even like it.

I don't think the OP is out of place at all asking for some urgency for them to get their game together. Rushed half-arsed jobs and broken promises don't build a strong player base (aka recurrent subscription fees).

I know a lot of players that quit for months between major patches due to the way things are now. Because there isn't anything fun to keep them here. The dungeons get old fast. The devs puke out rushed grinds to keep people playing.
There is a great lack of depth and complexity. Making things simple instead of having a little depth and not being able to differentiate complexity from difficulty are killing the fun in this game at present. I would like to see that change.

[Eekiki]

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Unpleasant for you, not unpleasant for all. Not unpleasant for enough people that SE's approach, while it will always need constant updating and tweaking, does not need to "urgently change".

Which is why those who are so disappointed are kindly invited to go do something else if it's so unpleasant. And it's why lots of players will quit for months and only show up when a major patch hits. And there will always be a significant amount of players that will do that no matter what, so it isn't worth worrying about that.

Yet still the armchair devs pour out their rhetoric, believing they have the magic formula that will make this the Perfect Game. And woe to anyone who may question their infallible ideas.

"'tis foolishness! If all were so easy, why, none would suffer in this world!"

[RakaMaimhov]

Unpleasant for you, not unpleasant for all.

I'm unsure whether you're defending some cause, just here to play the devil's advocate, trolling, or something else.

"Not unpleasant for all." Sure, there are people who enjoy the game as it is right now. But there are a lot of people who don't, and I believe they outweigh the ones who do.

Don't try to single me out with the way you word your replies. "Unpleasant for you..." yes me, and many others. I am not alone. OP is not alone. I speak for my friends who also share my views. As well as the empty Linkshells I belong to, my Free Company most of who are awaiting patch 2.4, and my somewhat deserted Server.

The thing is, they do need to change their approach. Urgently, perhaps. They might have millions of subs right now (supposedly), but things are starting to get old and stale. Even "new" content feels old and stale shortly after it comes out, as it is not innovative but just more of the same type of content.

They had to re-make this game once. You were here for it, judging by your join date. Do you really like the game the way it is right now? Is there nothing you wish to see change?

[Kaaylryn]

As a former software QA Analyst (retired) I can sympathize with developers. However, what gets developed is not always how an end user expects something to work. I delved into code and logs to figure out what was so broke the application could not work properly but I also did QA from a user standpoint, and often the developer and user vision were miles apart. Communication and often compromise was key in a lot of situations.

Like with this game, what a developer considers might be fun, may just be agony in the end for the consumer. A developer must set expectations from the beginning, if communication goes dark, like with the housing, atma or hunt debacles, then the end user only has their own likes or wishes to reference to. In the end, we will get what we get, but it is always up to the end user as to whether or not they feel their money is well spent with the final product. And sometimes a developers brainchild is just an ugly baby and not the joyous bundle they thought it would be.

[Eekiki]

"Not unpleasant for all." Sure, there are people who enjoy the game as it is right now. But there are a lot of people who don't, and I believe they outweigh the ones who do.

I believe they don't. Does either one of us have the verifiable evidence to prove which of us is correct?*

Do you really like the game the way it is right now? Is there nothing you wish to see change?

Yeah, I do. I also liked it before it was remade. Is there anything I'd like to see changed? Of course. But there's a difference between the "I'd like to see these specific changes" approach to feedback and the "I don't like this. Change it or else dooOOOoooooommm... (oh, but I don't really know what I want so try to figure it out for yourself kthxbai)"

* No.

[Parz3val]

I just don't see how any of these problems are worth making angry threads insisting "these problems are urgent fix them now!" when at most they're just some minor gripes. You put the blame on SE rushing out content too fast which I don't really see how that could even be related to some of the things you mentioned, and most of your complaints seem to be a product of you simply having absurdly high expectations for things. Desynthesis? I have no idea what you could have possibly expected desynthesis to turn out like. You call one thing too simple, then say another thing isn't simple enough. This is just a general complaint thread of your personal nitpicks involving really minor things no matter how you try to restate it otherwise in a big red font.

Well, one, I'm not really angry so much as concerned or legitimately worried the path they're going down. Frustrated, yes, though I think fairly.

As well, I might have high expectations but that's generally because SE essentially told me to expect as such. I explained how Desynthesis was pitched as something it's not, or how Personal Housing was advertised as being different from FC Housing.

Minor gripes, sure, but those minor gripes add up & have begun piling in droves over the life of this game.

And some are major (Personal Housing), at least imo.

Either way, this isn't a complaint thread so much as it's me trying to help SE see the big picture of how they keep harming their relationship with a fair portion of the player-base little by little.

And how the ramifications of that won't bode well for them in the long-run if they don't reform.

It's a call to action more than anything.

You might not agree anything has to change & that's fine. I think it does & so I share my opinion.

[Maero]

i personally am fine with how things are.
atma is fine (but will also be nerfed later)

Umm heck no, maybe after nerf it will be. Your obviously one of those who probably got full weapon in a few days, same goes to those that say atma grind is not that bad.
Try to tell that to those of us that it has taken over 3 months to get 12 atmas. I spent 2 months alone trying to get 1 atma in Thanalan.
While true other mmo's may take longer to get a weapon, the issue is the content that they push out.
Those with rng not on their side are left behind. And the using hunts and such to get upgraded soldiery gear, way to easy. Myth gear back in the day took ages to get but felt good once you accomplished it

[Exstal]

I spent 2 months alone trying to get 1 atma in Thanalan.

Maybe you shouldn't do only 1 fate a day.

Let this sink in; there is a guy on Reddit who has 9 Animus weapons and it took him 3 months to get all 9.

[Tsuwu]

Maybe you shouldn't do only 1 fate a day.

Let this sink in; there is a guy on Reddit who has 9 Animus weapons and it took him 3 months to get all 9.

I believe, good sir, you have thereby been succinctly torched.

I did -maybe- 300 total FATEs. Got my weapon.
Even just occasionally popping in to FATEs on my down time with BLM, more than 1/2 to my second one.

Not to say the game is flawless.
But the people who enjoy the game are in the game. Enjoying it.
Not rrraging on the forums because they want a different game.

[Exstal]

I believe, good sir, you have thereby been succinctly torched.

I did -maybe- 300 total FATEs. Got my weapon.
Even just occasionally popping in to FATEs on my down time with BLM, more than 1/2 to my second one.

Not to say the game is flawless.
But the people who enjoy the game are in the game. Enjoying it.
Not rrraging on the forums because they want a different game.

You had better luck than I did. I didn't take down how many fates it took me for my SCH Atma, but it was 361+ (forgot record first two Atma) for Ninja. But Animus is the most time consuming part of the relic anyway. At least, that was the case before 2.28 happened.

Although, I'm not sure if you were replying to reddit guy or my comment about how slow that guy is. I'll assume the former.