How raids have hurt this game.

[Kallera]

being biased isnt wrong. nothing i posted was trolling except the 2 april fools jokes (and it was april 1st so give me a break).
I posted:
the economy would fail
there would be a move to raids and rare/ex gear
as such crafting + gathering would be diminished

At the time crafting and gathering were supposed to still be main jobs. my predictions came true, they are now side jobs, and we now have most of our "best" gear as rare/ex.

Almost everything i negatively posted about has come true or is still true... So i think most of my "criticism" threads were justified.

Does that mean the game is bad? no. It just means its significantly strayed from its original intentions. I would now argue FFXIV has -nothing- overly unique to it other than pretty graphics. That -IS- a problem, since this year it will have to compete with tera, Diablo III, and starwars. So far tera and starwars -BETAS- seem to have gotten significantly better reviews than this game would manage to pull off.. Thats a bit scary.

Even now you are pulling claims out of your box of lies, damn lies, and statistics. Your fearmongering of other game shas nothing to do with raid system of this game, both of which have not been fully completed. Unless one of those games bring down WoW, and I mean bring it to Warhammer 40k numbers, I'm not convinced they're the zomg threat you make them out to be.

DoH is not a side job, nor do the devs intend it to be. The upcoming materia system's intention is to strengthen crafted gear, and there will always be a want for HQ that raids are not known for providing.

So by all means, quake in your boots, perhaps Professor Layton will be the next thing to haunt your dreams.

[Rhomagus]

I don't agree with rank 50s doing the dungeons. But honestly to level off the r25 dungeons with new people is kind of insane. You must understand that when I talk, I usually mean new people since, we can't typically hold this game together with all of us who have been here from the CE forever. there are many new people on my server, and its a little harder for them to grasp the strategy of this dungeon at first, and it takes them a couple tries and its challenging. But for some its not just challenging at first it's annoying. The r50 dungeons are the same way if you try to level in them by r45, but you are more accustomed to what this game throws at you. I guess i think the r25 are a steep learning curve for new people, since r25 is quite easy to hit, and doesn't take much challenge or dedication, the r25 dungeon will give them an opportunity to learn their class, but more often than not most of the trial error time is extended by copious deaths. It's hard for me to even level with these guys cause I'm like "omg you're squishy" then i have to sit back and be like "okay i was squishy once when my phys level was 25-30" thats all i'm saying, is that new people might need some help, not that we all need to get on r50s and do it the dungeons.

Ah I gotcha. It can be done by a new R25 they just need to know what they're doing.

[Eekiki]

You make good points, Azury, but I don't see this kind of stuff happening on Wutai. Sure the raids are the most popular thing to do right now since they're new, but not a day goes by that I don't see at least a couple shouts for grind parties and toto-rak runs forming.

How many servers do you play on that you're able to say leveling is impossible on some servers? If you're basing your claim on what other people post on the various forums, well, I think we all know how dependable their word can be.

[Eekiki]

There is a big guy in the next room being released this holiday. If SE dont move faster (1.19 in less then 3 weeks and 1.20 aprox 1 month after) he will cast a huge shadow over FFXIV. Just like WoW did to FFXI when it came out. Of course WoW didnt have much content and still dosent which resulted in ppl going back to XI. But this one is gonna be very imposing compared to the other and XIV will see its numbers fall pretty bad (it already is).
I hope the "force" is with SE ~

Ha ha. That's funny. You're a funny guy.

Old Republic is going to suck. I've played the demo. I've seen it for myself. EA has butchered BioWare to the point that releasing a decent game is impossible for them now.

[Evtrai]

Not really sure what you guys are complaining about, I came back after patch being Gladiator 23 and hit 47 and almost 48 yesterday playing the afternoons, doing leves when they are up and behests the time I'm doing leves and obviously grouping for SP, have not even done a dungeon once. Unless everyone wants easy mode and pull 1-85 in three days like World of Warcraft then I'd say you are playing the wrong game, go play Rift, that's new and can hit 50 really easy with no effort aswell. I can understand low pop servers but some people just seems they love to have something to complain about.

[Madoka]

I'm going to let you in on a secret.

They spent a year and a half fixing XI before bringing it to the rest of the world.

[OJtheLIONKing]

I'm going to let you in on a secret.

They spent a year and a half fixing XI before bringing it to the rest of the world.

That doesn't make it okay.

Back on topic, the raids are awesome, but the OP's points are pretty right on. I'll let the long time FFXI players in on a little secret too: grind parties are not a viable alternative for modern MMO players to actual content. And yes, the game does need those "casual" types (don't get me started on that term) to succeed, because that's where the market is. I'll say it again, if you want to do FFXI grind all day, play FFXI, it's still around.

[Evtrai]

That doesn't make it okay.

Back on topic, the raids are awesome, but the OP's points are pretty right on. I'll let the long time FFXI players in on a little secret too: grind parties are not a viable alternative for modern MMO players to actual content. And yes, the game does need those "casual" types (don't get me started on that term) to succeed, because that's where the market is. I'll say it again, if you want to do FFXI grind all day, play FFXI, it's still around.

By modern MMO's we are speaking of WoW clones right?

[Biggs]

so now we have people complaining that we got new content that is taking up peoples time from the older content. Geez. Do some of you sit around brain storming for things to complain about?

Thats all this boy does man.

[Misha]

These aren't typical MMO raids... so my answer is yes I agree, raids are hurting the game!... Only thing hurting it atm though is having a mandatory inefficient party number for raids/dungeons. 4 is too small and 8 is too big(Don't even reply if your one of those people who whined that 16 people pt's got taken away lol that was just retardly set-up anyways) , seems like they are still being different for the sake of being different. Tbh 4 isn't that bad and should stay in the game but 8 is pretty much almost a real small raid size in a typical mmo. Should have been kept at the 5-6 mark due to the fact that holy trinity games work best in these numbers with group and define roles plus performance ALOT more (Not to mention it's alot better for balancing mechanics)!

Too small you say? Can't fit you're whole LS in one party? That's what typical raids/alliances are for(And multiple runs), which is currently not set up in the game (Multiple groups tied together). I don't know about everyone else but I don't wanna be forced to do raid like content (using actual mmo slang here not a realist approach like Yoshi's) when I am wanting to do group content. Do the dungeon runs with less people you say? Not an option sadly atm... Just saying I'd like the option at the very least to do a normal group run without having to pt with 7 extra people... that's feels waaay too close to a typical mmo raid. Not all of us like to raid, and I'm sure more than me want a more personalized, heck even traditional/balanced , group experience and not be forced into these "mini raids" for getting our fill of group content :S This will be especially important once we get more uniqueness from future changes to classes and additions of jobs!

This is what part of the raids is hurting the game for me! (Grinding mobs is seperate and not really content so I'm not bringing that up or counting it atm^^)