How raids have hurt this game.

[Pulseczar]

i dont have a reputation for that o.o

I'm sorry but you do. As you can see with the majority of the responses in this thread. When we try to offer help... you choose to ignore it.

All of the threads you started over at the Core were the same way. Maybe you just don't see it?

[Azurymber]

I'm sorry but you do. All of the threads you started over at the Core were the same way. Maybe you just don't see it?

you can't base my reputation on here based on what i said at the core. Theres a reason i was biased at the core and it was because it was full of white knights claiming the game is perfect and had no flaws. Look at my thread history on here, a lot of them are constructive.

[Pulseczar]

Theres a reason i was biased at the core and it was because it was full of white knights claiming the game is perfect and had no flaws

And the truth comes out. Nothing more to say. lol

[Nabiri]

for one i want to start by saying raids are amazing, really fun, and a great addition to the game.... however...

Raids seem to have killed off almost all partying and behests. With solo now a complete joke, this has made rank 25-43ish nearly impossible on -SOME- servers. Just to be clear i have stood at some camps for 5 hours+ and not seen a SINGLE person do a behest (tranquil, em moss, humblehearth, mun tuy, most of the limsa areas, drybone)

I'll take this step by step.
1. most servers are still severely underpopulated
2. raids pull a huge part of the active population away from leveling and towards raiding
3. many servers have times where theres probably less than 100 people actively playing (approx 1am - 7am est)
4. the search system still fails epically
5. transportation still sucks and people keep using anima to get to raids thus running low on anima to get to party spots
6. there is really no incentive to level up
7. raids need all 3 ability bars essentially filled (to optimize performance) which makes it really annoying to switch to a low level job and have to keep shuffling abilities

and I could probably come up with a lot of other reasons as to why no one really parties (totorok on my server is essentially dead as well)

this could all be fixed easily if:
- servers get merged
- population increase (unlikely any time soon)
- incentive (such as a special hat or armor if you have all jobs at 50)
- level sync
- greatly improved party search features along with world population view


Right now Partying is still non-existant, solo-sp is pretty horrible, behests are no longer worth soloing + few people do them, gathering quests still send you into groups of rank 45+ agro mobs, autoattack takes 3 buttons with a keyboard, switching between ability-bars with a keyboard is troublesome, theres no way to save ability bars for multiple jobs, and many other problems still exist that SHOULDN'T.

My only point with this thread is that while it's great to add in new endgame content, all it will do is appease current players. If the party system can't get up to the standards of ffxi or modern mmo's, and the solo system is still as fail as it is, this game will -never- succeed. While i fully understand SE's focus on endgame at the moment, I really hope they don't lose their focus on making the game an enjoyable MMO for new players.

I'm afraid you must have missed something these past few months. Leves and behests aren't the main way of leveling now. They're casual things for those short on time. The new dungeons are the new leveling/partying content.
Yoshida-san had said when dungeons were first announced that they'd pretty much be taking over what leves used to be.

They are a place to rank/level up, but made to be challenging rather than droning on with the exact same monster for 5 hours. The boss at the end is a nice final touch, along with the items we can win along the way. It even comes with lore!

As far as MMOs go this is the most exciting leveling content I've seen yet.

It's unfortunate that you seem to have so much trouble with the game. I made a Toto-Rak sp party the other day and it was great. We went through twice before we got tired and had to go to bed (it was late). Next time I'd like to go for a few more hours and get some more ranks out of it. :3

Partying is existent. Just some of it is in our new dungeons now.
On Besaid I see regular shouts for outside-dungeon and in-dungeon parties. If you can't find one, try making your own. Works for me.

[Gasher]

I liked the TS post but do not agree that raids have hurt the game. The other points made in the initial topic I completely agree with.

/sea AREA INVITE_FLAG LEVEL_SPAN JOB

Please. Add. This. Now.

[Kallera]

you can't base my reputation on here based on what i said at the core. Theres a reason i was biased at the core and it was because it was full of white knights claiming the game is perfect and had no flaws. Look at my thread history on here, a lot of them are constructive.

Two wrongs don't make a fair and balanced thread, your opinion just doesn't stack up, and you make up for it with lies.

Raids haven't killed off leves, leves were supposed to be taking a back seat. And I'm sure behests were destined for that too once the empire starts coming over.

[Azurymber]

Two wrongs don't make a fair and balanced thread, your opinion just doesn't stack up, and you make up for it with lies.

Raids haven't killed off leves, leves were supposed to be taking a back seat. And I'm sure behests were destined for that too once the empire starts coming over.

being biased isnt wrong. nothing i posted was trolling except the 2 april fools jokes (and it was april 1st so give me a break).
I posted:
the economy would fail
there would be a move to raids and rare/ex gear
as such crafting + gathering would be diminished

At the time crafting and gathering were supposed to still be main jobs. my predictions came true, they are now side jobs, and we now have most of our "best" gear as rare/ex.

Almost everything i negatively posted about has come true or is still true... So i think most of my "criticism" threads were justified.

Does that mean the game is bad? no. It just means its significantly strayed from its original intentions. I would now argue FFXIV has -nothing- overly unique to it other than pretty graphics. That -IS- a problem, since this year it will have to compete with tera, Diablo III, and starwars. So far tera and starwars -BETAS- seem to have gotten significantly better reviews than this game would manage to pull off.. Thats a bit scary.

[Mimmo]

being biased isnt wrong. nothing i posted was trolling except the 2 april fools jokes (and it was april 1st so give me a break).
I posted:
the economy would fail
there would be a move to raids and rare/ex gear
as such crafting + gathering would be diminished

At the time crafting and gathering were supposed to still be main jobs. my predictions came true, they are now side jobs, and we now have most of our "best" gear as rare/ex.

Almost everything i negatively posted about has come true or is still true... So i think most of my "criticism" threads were justified.

Does that mean the game is bad? no. It just means its significantly strayed from its original intentions. I would now argue FFXIV has -nothing- overly unique to it other than pretty graphics. That -IS- a problem, since this year it will have to compete with tera, Diablo III, and starwars. So far tera and starwars -BETAS- seem to have gotten significantly better reviews than this game would manage to pull off.. Thats a bit scary.

Tera was postponed to 2012

http://pc.ign.com/articles/118/1185943p1.html

[Noata]

Hey, Can you stay on topic there is no reason to turn this thread into a fight. Azurymber is entitled to their opinion on the forums. as is everyone, reguardless of past posts this thread was asking for personal opinions with supporting information on the opinion. as such nothing is unreasonable so dont fight. stick to topic. after reading some of these posts it seems like the new dungeons make it easier to level. so the leve's are being neglected on some servers more then others, probly based on population. However this thread aslo makes it apparent that the people are still playing and lvling charactes both in and out of dungeons. I guess it is a matter or preference rather then is it hurting the game

[Azurymber]

Tera was postponed to 2012

http://pc.ign.com/articles/118/1185943p1.html

sorry i meant within the next year with 1.18 being the "relaunch" base of the game. star wars prob will either be out at christmas or in 2012 as well. teras march 2012 probably.

so this game basically has 6-12 months to define itself -again-. I'm really hoping it manages to. raids seem promising.