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  1. #31
    Player Lithera's Avatar
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    Randolont Althoreaux
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    Midgardsormr
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yoninxi View Post
    I still don't understand how killing the boss in a timely manner without a wipe on the first or second try is not "doing the right thing". The newbie still gets to see all, or most of the mechanics and phases . It's simply not feasible to explain every mechanic every time there is a new person in a roulette.
    This has nothing to do with explaining the fight...reread the OP. They're a healer and these people he's speaking of are taking off before the healer even has time to buff. For all these tanks know both healers might be taking 30 seconds to open a can of pop or get the cat off the keyboard and because they're in such a rush to finish a fight that's going to be over in 3 minutes anyways they're potentially going to die and wipe the group.
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  2. #32
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    Project Ziek
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMoonflow View Post
    A lot of people think they are saving valuable seconds by not dodging that aoe or early pulling just to get in a bit more dps.
    But what they fail to understand is, every time I have to heal you is time spent that I could be dpsing,, so really, we gain nothing.
    I understand if that's plumes/eruptions, it can be frustrating because no matter how geared you are, you're not gonna be able to eat all of Titan's plumes. But if its like Garuda's Shriek, then that's nothing a Medica II can't fix.
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  3. #33
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lithera View Post
    This has nothing to do with explaining the fight...reread the OP. They're a healer and these people he's speaking of are taking off before the healer even has time to buff. For all these tanks know both healers might be taking 30 seconds to open a can of pop or get the cat off the keyboard and because they're in such a rush to finish a fight that's going to be over in 3 minutes anyways they're potentially going to die and wipe the group.
    I repeat, you can cast protect after the fight has started, so where's the problem? Swiftcast+Protect even, what are you gonna use that swiftcast for anyways?
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  4. #34
    Player Yoninxi's Avatar
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    Kaiser Yonin
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lithera View Post
    This has nothing to do with explaining the fight...reread the OP. They're a healer and these people he's speaking of are taking off before the healer even has time to buff. For all these tanks know both healers might be taking 30 seconds to open a can of pop or get the cat off the keyboard and because they're in such a rush to finish a fight that's going to be over in 3 minutes anyways they're potentially going to die and wipe the group.
    I'm replying to Wyrmnus. His grievence is completely different than the OP.

    IDC if peoe run off while I'm on heals, I just target protect on them.and keep it moving. Its no big deal, especially since those fights can be healed in your sleep.
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  5. #35
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yoninxi View Post
    I'm replying to Wyrmnus. His grievence is completely different than the OP.

    IDC if peoe run off while I'm on heals, I just target protect on them.and keep it moving. Its no big deal, especially since those fights can be healed in your sleep.
    I'm pretty sure as an overgeared scholar, you can just put Eos on Obey and DPS, and I'm pretty sure nobody would even die.
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  6. #36
    Player Yoninxi's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danbo05 View Post
    I'm pretty sure as an overgeared scholar, you can just put Eos on Obey and DPS, and I'm pretty sure nobody would even die.
    I'm glad someone has great faith in Eos' AI and random peoples dodging abilities lol
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  7. #37
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    Moon Flow
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danbo05 View Post
    I understand if that's plumes/eruptions, it can be frustrating because no matter how geared you are, you're not gonna be able to eat all of Titan's plumes. But if its like Garuda's Shriek, then that's nothing a Medica II can't fix.
    Yea, I've pretty much accepted the new garuda meta
    and I actually prefer using the ex positioning myself
    But I'm starting to see the zerg style carry over to other primals and it makes me cringe sometimes
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  8. #38
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    As for winning or losing, it's been a mix. Half of the trial roulettes I've been getting have the new player mythology tome notification, with some having multiple new players. If I can put up stoneskin and protect, it gives the party a chance to get their footing in the fight and the stoneskin can absorb some of the initial clumsiness some players who are newer to the content may have. Protect can also mean having a player alive or dead when they've accidentally eaten a hit that they meant to dodge. We've all had those moments where we've accidentally eaten a hit.

    I'm just saying that 18 seconds really isn't too much to put up with when stoneskin and protect can only benefit the party. Three minutes without the battle starting is excessive, and I will agree to that. It's just those players who are impatient and start as soon as the blue circle disappears, which can often do more damage--especially when you have a blatantly rude DPS player who starts the fight and has Ifrit blast fire breath on the party or has Titan rip off everyone's faces.

    I'm looking for official ruling from the development or admin team to see what the right course of action is here, as the presence of this behavior is increasing with each day.
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  9. #39
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yoninxi View Post
    I'm glad someone has great faith in Eos' AI and random peoples dodging abilities lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magiseanzz View Post
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    That's the veteran players fault then if you guys are wiping. They should've looked over the situation before getting too overconfident in their abilities. Can't run into a boss, expecting an easy clear, with 3-4 players not as geared as Novus players.
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  10. #40
    Player Yoninxi's Avatar
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    Just target protect people that run off. It still AoEs
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