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    Player
    Fendred's Avatar
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    Valentyne Laska
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    Balmung
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    Dancer Lv 100
    There are several conflicting interests at play with the housing because people wanted player housing for different reasons, and by introducing the concept of free company housing they added a different dynamic to housing that didn't exist before. So from the player's perspective, we have...

    (1) The desire for personal housing to do solo oriented tasks and have a high level of control over the aesthetics of the room/house. (What people originally wanted)
    (2) The desire for Free Company housing to do large scale things together with FC members and where the aesthetic is determined communally. (Conceptually introduced back in 2.1)

    All they need to do to solve this would be to create grand company personal housing similar to the rooms FC members can buy for themselves and let players do all the solo oriented things (like gardening and chocobo rearing) from the room. The housing district idea works better communally than individually, not to mention it is just dripping with story potential that could be harnessed to build some great content.
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    Yawn Alexander
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    Gil-P said there aren't enough instance servers for personal housing. Plus, it doesn't feel like a house if it's instanced... Obviously, he's a complete idiot. It will take MUCH more server resources to increase the number of FC housing wards 100-fold.
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    Taisai Jin
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chasely View Post
    Gil-P said there aren't enough instance servers for personal housing. Plus, it doesn't feel like a house if it's instanced... Obviously, he's a complete idiot. It will take MUCH more server resources to increase the number of FC housing wards 100-fold.
    I really don't know what to say... A MMO released in 2002, for the PS2, could manage personal housing for everyone through instances, and here we are in 2014 and the same company is failing to reproduce the same results... Next gen technologies at work, I suppose...

    The fact that Free Companies already offer this makes such a comment even more perplexing... Surely it's easier to add more instance servers to allow absolutely everyone to have a Private Room, than it is to add more Wards and still annoy 98% of the population? It doesn't even matter that it doesn't feel like a house, how about a damn poll asking us what we'd prefer? Since the developers are apparently incapable of taking a player consensus based off forum posts, because if they were they'd realize most people really don't care about housing being instanced or not... People just want something to furnish... Damn sure not going to accomplish that any time soon with this current mentality...
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    Valentyne Laska
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nalien View Post
    I really don't know what to say... A MMO released in 2002, for the PS2, could manage personal housing for everyone through instances, and here we are in 2014 and the same company is failing to reproduce the same results... Next gen technologies at work, I suppose...
    It's messed up because they tried to do something too ambitious in too short a time. My instructor for an android development class was teaching a group of graduate students in a previous semester who all agreed to collectively build a video game for their class project. Long story short, what they were able to accomplish and what they had envisioned were two entirely different things. The housing is a good example of how that looks when a team of professionals run into the same problem. The primary difference being their's actually functions with unintended consequences whereas a group of students will be lucky to have something running at all. It's an idea that needed more time and testing than what was given.
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    Last edited by Fendred; 09-22-2014 at 07:56 AM.

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    Alukah Bast
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    It's a good question why private chambers were released before personal housing, or why they have no issues with every single player belonging to a free company being able to create a private chamber (instanced) but they have issues if instead of private chambers we had an instanced personal housing.

    Another forgotten thing is, they said we would be able to upgrade our houses to medium or large, how are they going to do that with the current ward setup? Or will this also be forgotten? I feel like they should consider replacing the team in charge of housing, maybe a new team could figure out how to implement this properly without murdering their server resources.
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    Yawn Alexander
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fendred View Post
    It's messed up because they tried to do something too ambitious in too short a time. My instructor for an android development class was teaching a group of graduate students in a previous semester who all agreed to collectively build a video game for their class project. Long story short, what they were able to accomplish and what they had envisioned were two entirely different things. The housing is a good example of how that looks when a team of professionals run into the same problem. The primary difference being their's actually functions with unintended consequences whereas a group of students will be lucky to have something running at all. It's an idea that needed more time and testing than what was given.
    They've been planning personal housing for 4 years...
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    Taisai Jin
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fendred View Post
    It's an idea that needed more time and testing than what was given.
    I don't really think it does. The way wards are structured is never going to lend itself to everyone who wants a housing having one. All they need to do is provide everyone with an instanced option; something they could knock out in an extra weekends worth of work, depending on how much they want to do with it.

    I can't speak for everyone, and I certainly shouldn't in this debate, considering I'm in a fairly good position to get my medium sized house, but I think it would be perfectly fine for everyone to have a private room regardless of their Free Company, and the minority to have a house occupying the wards along with Free Companies. That gives players options; you can have your own private inn room that you can decorate, you can move in with your Free Company, you can save up and buy your own house. There would still be some supply/demand issues on housing wards, but if everyone could just go to the Innkeeper NPC and buy a private room right now, I think the demand for housing would fall dramatically, provided they also work on gardening for such rooms.
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    Last edited by Nalien; 09-22-2014 at 07:11 PM.

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    Yukihko Kuroshima
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    Ragnarok
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    Summoner Lv 70
    With every patch we are getting new housing stuff, retainers are already full...
    Can we get the items back after placing them in FC housing or private housing? No!
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    Naja ich hab einfach gemerkt, dass man mit Mut und Freundlichkeit viel weiter kommt und den Menschen eine Freude macht :3
    Weißt du, wenn wir alle an einem Strang hier im Forum ziehen, dann kommen wir einfach so viel weiter und stärken die gesammte Community <3

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    Kaeda Valentyne
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    Famfrit
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    Ok, so I thought about it and I think I came up with why they think the high prices on personal housing will deter RMT sales.
    By the way I don't think it was completely thought out, It's actually quite stupid.

    They must think most of us are to poor in the real world to afford to buy that large amount of Gil, or at the very least make us think twice about doing it.

    To be completely honest the housing is the only think that actually made me think about buying Gil. I didn't because in my opinion its cheating and anything worth getting is worth working hard for, but the real issue is the availability.
    I am so close to being able to buy a small house, should have enough by the end of the week. Alas there wont be a small house available for me to buy.

    Now all the availability issue does is promote RMT sales because you need the Gil now so you can insure getting a house.
    You can say wait for the next patch when new wards are added, but to do so I will have to take the day off of work if I want to get a house in the Lavender beds or Mist.

    If they do double the wards there might just be some left when I normally get home for work the thing is they said they were going to try to double them. The key word there is "Try". Saying that is leaving a loop hole incase they cant double them. They will be able to say that thy said they would try but they just couldn't make it work in time. I don't know about you but I'm not going to take my chances. I will take that day off work just so I wont be disappointed again, it's just sad that I have to just to be sure.
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    White Garden
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    Sargatanas
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    I love how personal housing is actually designed to fail.

    By lumping it in with Free Company housing, SE has made absolutely certain that it remains for elite only. Land availability will remain extremely extremely limited compared to the entire player-base of the server.

    The whole FC Housing, personal chambers, personal house ideology is very poorly designed. But that's what happens when you're forced to design the game around server limitations.
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