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  1. #1
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    Edli's Avatar
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    Edli Papami
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    Balmung
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amberion View Post
    Gaming is a hobby though, and most hobbies involves putting some work in to it. So yes, feeling entitled to something without putting in the work for it, is being lazy.
    You can use this lazy excuse for every outlandish concept a developer can come up with. You want to ride a mount? It costs 100 million and only 50 players on the server can do it. You don't like that? Well you're just being lazy.

    That's so easy isn't it?
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    Luvbunny's Avatar
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    Coralie Moonseeker
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    Arcanist Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Amberion View Post
    Gaming is a hobby though, and most hobbies involves putting some work in to it. So yes, feeling entitled to something without putting in the work for it, is being lazy.
    Screw that, gaming is a hobby, it should be fun, it should never ever equate with WORK, or a SECOND JOB, or MAIN PRIORITY in your life EVER!! Basic necessities should being able to own your own room, and to garden should be AVAILABLE FREE for all. This is a game, for fun, to enjoy, to log and play, and you should never be obligated to farm to make hundreds of millions of gills. And you wonder why RMT are swarming this game? Because SE is dumb enough to encourage them - and forcing their player base to resort to buy gil.
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    Yoku Dekimashita
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amberion View Post
    Gaming is a hobby though, and most hobbies involves putting some work in to it. So yes, feeling entitled to something without putting in the work for it, is being lazy.
    ...Are you friggin' kidding me? I feel like spamming the dang House price picture. I'll put it again.

    I would like for you to please look at the Leviathan and for you Balmung prices.
    All of them, not just Small. You tell me which individual has this amount of money?
    Balmung being legacy and people playing since '11, I just can't imagine anyone having 30mill to almost 90 mill in savings. I really can't.
    Leviathan is new for 2.0 I REALLY don't know how anyone can manage that in a year unless ya'll a RMT.
    I don't mind working for a house, but this is inhumane.
    So no. You can call us lazy, I call this horribly bad excuse
    because every time they implement something it's stupid and you get the Yoshi/SE does no wrong crew.
    Then those who wanna small house, are SoL, you got people saying 'Oh hey, you shoulda got there first." LIKE 5 SECONDS IN THE PATCH!
    They took all the houses because lack of space. Don't gimme going with the prices he talked about.
    The guy blatantly lies to our faces and people still defend him. I can't believe it LOL. -Insert Jackie Chan face thing.jpeg;
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    Last edited by Mugiawara; 09-21-2014 at 08:42 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mugiawara View Post
    You tell me which individual has this amount of money?
    A better question is why is something that was considered an "achievement" for a FC working together now "expected" of individual players? None of this makes any sense.

    The only person I know with this amount of money laying around is a guy that spends all his time mercing. He's got a boatload of gil and I'm sure he's built a monument to himself now that he doesn't have to be in our FC to do it, but come on SE. This kind of practice only encourages RMT or excessive mercing, neither of which are "healthy" activities in a successful mmo.
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    Yoku Dekimashita
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    Quote Originally Posted by Souljacker View Post
    A better question is why is something that was considered an "achievement" for a FC working together now "expected" of individual players? None of this makes any sense.
    I've asked every possible question about this crap and the only answer I can give you is: LAZINESS.
    I can't help but laugh at this "Players are lazing around..." Meanwhile, it doesn't take a Chipmunk
    to go "Oh...well let's split FC housing, for everyone!" and do nothing new at all in the past 9 months!!!!
    It's like they seriously were on deadline day to thinking about P. Housing and here's what we got.
    I'm sorry but this angers me so baddd! xDD
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    Jesse Branford
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    Quote Originally Posted by Souljacker View Post
    A better question is why is something that was considered an "achievement" for a FC working together now "expected" of individual players? None of this makes any sense.
    There is no "expectation" for an individual player to buy a house. You can beat every single encounter in the game without having a house, easily. In fact, having a house does not affect your ability to perform duties in any shape whatsoever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by reality_check View Post
    There is no "expectation" for an individual player to buy a house. You can beat every single encounter in the game without having a house, easily. In fact, having a house does not affect your ability to perform duties in any shape whatsoever.
    There's no need to do any of those things either, nor is it necessary that everyone be able to.
    There's just an arbitrary line people draw up about what is considered important or integral and what is not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by reality_check View Post
    There is no "expectation" for an individual player to buy a house. You can beat every single encounter in the game without having a house, easily. In fact, having a house does not affect your ability to perform duties in any shape whatsoever.
    You misunderstood what I meant. I fully believe SE didn't expect anyone to be interested in housing at all. What I meant with my comment was the content was priced with the thought in mind that several people were working together as a group (fc) to attain the achievement. Now, for some arbitrary reason (some terrible math), SE has an expectation that this is now an achievement within the reach of the average player.

    But they didn't change FC version of the pricing accordingly. So which is it? 80m (And I am citing this number because these are all that is left on Balmung) split between several people? Or 80m is commonplace on the average, Non-crafting, PvE player? I don't think the numbers *truly* support his logic. Either that, or he's stuck in pre-abyssea FFXI where 60 people would work years on one guy's relic and he thought that was good design.
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    Quesse Mithril
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    Sargatanas
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    Quote Originally Posted by Souljacker View Post
    A better question is why is something that was considered an "achievement" for a FC working together now "expected" of individual players? None of this makes any sense.
    Yeah that was lie #1 really. I remember it well. Here is a quote from Yoshi:

    " In each legacy World, there are more than ten players in possession of over one hundred million gil. Even in non-legacy Worlds, there are a significant number of players with several million gil."

    What. the. crap. So this housing scheme is built for like the 10 people that have gil to afford it?

    Another choice Yoshi quote:

    "With this pricing scheme, we sought a balance in which roughly 80% of all existing free companies will be able to purchase at least a small-sized plot in three months’ time."

    Yeah, that's entire FREE COMPANIES. Not individuals. Making it the same is insulting.

    Quote Originally Posted by ZReport View Post
    Again, the funniest part about all of this is the fact that they will figure out a way to make most people happy at the end of the day, and all of this complaining will be for nothing. have worked!!
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    Last edited by Quesse; 09-21-2014 at 12:28 PM.

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    Valentyne Laska
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    Balmung
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    Dancer Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Mugiawara View Post
    ...Are you friggin' kidding me? I feel like spamming the dang House price picture. I'll put it again.

    I would like for you to please look at the Leviathan and for you Balmung prices.
    All of them, not just Small. You tell me which individual has this amount of money?
    Balmung being legacy and people playing since '11, I just can't imagine anyone having 30mill to almost 90 mill in savings. I really can't.
    Leviathan is new for 2.0 I REALLY don't know how anyone can manage that in a year unless ya'll a RMT.
    I don't mind working for a house, but this is inhumane.
    So no. You can call us lazy, I call this horribly bad excuse
    because every time they implement something it's stupid and you get the Yoshi/SE does no wrong crew.
    Then those who wanna small house, are SoL, you got people saying 'Oh hey, you shoulda got there first." LIKE 5 SECONDS IN THE PATCH!
    They took all the houses because lack of space. Don't gimme going with the prices he talked about.
    The guy blatantly lies to our faces and people still defend him. I can't believe it LOL. -Insert Jackie Chan face thing.jpeg;
    They don't have that much money. We ran out of the it back when we were buying FC houses. There are a few legacy players who are more lone wolf and still have money left, but they're a minority. I'm not saying I had all that much gil to begin with (I stopped playing FFXIV 1.0 at level 10 ), but I got to know a lot of other 1.0 players in my FC (I love Sundown. A lot of great people in that FC). All the gil I have comes from what I've been doing in 2.0+, which amounts to about 800k gil.
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    Last edited by Fendred; 09-21-2014 at 08:52 AM.

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