I challenge you think hard about your housing qualms with SE

[Magis]

Housing is too expensive
But, is it? Every reward in an MMORPG comes with work. You wouldn't log onto an mmorpg and expect to be max level without any effort. You wouldn't expect to log into a new patch and be able to instantly grab the newest most powerful loot from new bosses.

MMORPGs are based off of delayed gratification and working hard for your goal. Housing is no different. If you only have 300,000G in your inventory, ask yourself: Have I truly been working towards affording a house? Have I been working as hard as I do in other aspects of the game? You probably spent a good 70-80 hours getting to level 50 for the first time. How many hours have you spent farming gil?

Seeing as most MMOs, even the "hardcore" FFXI gave housing for free, I don't see how it should be different here (or at least cheaper). FFXIV is weird in the the progression content is easy/casual, and the fluff content and/or at least stuff that seems to be catered to casuals is the stuff that is hard or required "hardcore" dedication.

I have all the money I need for a house, but there aren't any small houses left!
Are you SURE there aren't any small houses left? If this is the actually the case, you're probably on a legacy server. And this is a valid complaint. There is no reason you shouldn't be able to buy a house if you have the gil.

It's applied to most servers, and guess what? Math isn't on your side. Sooner or later there will be a limit. The way SE is implementing this is ridiculous and is going to cause them issues in the future (wards as static zone), when instances could solve this issue instantly (heh). This puts things into perspective:

Housing is too expensiveAre you still upset about housing? You probably are. And that's fine. But just remember this:

This, too, will pass in time.

People are pissed because it's another half-assed delivery of content. "Personal Housing" has been asked by people since 1.0, and then it ends up being FC housing, but with the flag to allow only FCs to buy it turned off. WTF were they doing all that time? If that was all that housing was suppose to be, why didn't they just let anyone buy it back in 2.2 (or was it 2.1? Can't recall). Either the original idea didn't work, or they didn't have anything and threw this out as a solution.

I personally don't care, since I have a FC personal house with an awesome FC. HOWEVER, the reason a lot of people are pissed is because this seems to happen over and over. Half-baked ideas being pushed out, causing problems later on. I hear a lot of people on the forums going "if this is how they did personal housing, I'm not sure about future patches and the expansion". It puts doubt in their ability to deliver content.

[reality_check]

The graphic that has just be linked intentionally skews numbers to prove a point.

1. There are not 2,000,000 active subscribers. There are 2,000,000 registered accounts.

2. Lots of people play and don't even hit 50.

3. Lots of people don't even have max GC or the gil required to buy a house.

[Chasely]

The graphic that has just be linked intentionally skews numbers to prove a point.

1. There are not 2,000,000 active subscribers. There are 2,000,000 registered accounts.

2. Lots of people play and don't even hit 50.

3. Lots of people don't even have max GC or the gil required to buy a house.

So you're saying that, in addition to a housing shortage and insane gil requirements, Gil-P is also forcing his poorly-planned system behind gates which require long grinds. That makes it even worse, you know.

[Kallera]

The graphic that has just be linked intentionally skews numbers to prove a point.

1. There are not 2,000,000 active subscribers. There are 2,000,000 registered accounts.

2. Lots of people play and don't even hit 50.

3. Lots of people don't even have max GC or the gil required to buy a house.

Tell that to the devs, apparently we've all got monocles and top hats according to the studies they don't show us.

[Lii]

Tell that to the devs, apparently we've all got monocles and top hats according to the studies they don't show us.

The prices of the houses also took in account the limited amount of them. Right now only the rich can get houses, but they are going to keep adding wards so even the poor masses will be able to get a house.

[Chasely]

The prices of the houses also took in account the limited amount of them. Right now only the rich can get houses, but they are going to keep adding wards so even the poor masses will be able to get a house.

Gil-P never said that at all. In fact, on multiple occasions, he's said that anyone without the odd 5 million lying around is lazy. This includes him, of course. He only has 2 million gil. Luckily, he can (and does) program things in to give himself whatever he wants.

What bothers me most is, in order to even unlock housing, we've had to slay gods, bring entire armies of beastmen to their knees single-handedly, and saved the entire known world from utter annihilation; and the game thanks us by charging us more for a small housing deed than most of ul'Dah's merchants will ever see in their entire lifetimes.

What kind of greedy, selfish jerks have we been helping all this time..?

[Lii]

yoshi-P never said that at all. In fact, on multiple occasions, he's said that anyone without the odd 5 million lying around is lazy. This includes him, of course. He only has 2 million gil. Luckily, he can (and does) program things in to give himself whatever he wants.

Well it is very easy to get gil in this game, it practically throws it at you. I didnt even have to try to earn gil and I had the 5 mil for the house I bought.

[Quesse]

I think these forums can be an incredible difficult place. On one hand, it's a great feed of live communication with other players and the development team of the game we all love.

On the other hand, I believe that sometimes it's very easy to form an opinion based off of the current band wagon mentality of the forums.

I challenge you think about the following points, and my replies, while doing the difficult task of putting your emotions to the side. In the end, just like every other human being, you're entitled to your opinion. But, your opinion is only more valid once you've seriously considered the other possible stances regarding this issue.

Housing is too expensive
But, is it? Every reward in an MMORPG comes with work. You wouldn't log onto an mmorpg and expect to be max level without any effort. You wouldn't expect to log into a new patch and be able to instantly grab the newest most powerful loot from new bosses.

MMORPGs are based off of delayed gratification and working hard for your goal. Housing is no different. If you only have 300,000G in your inventory, ask yourself: Have I truly been working towards affording a house? Have I been working as hard as I do in other aspects of the game? You probably spent a good 70-80 hours getting to level 50 for the first time. How many hours have you spent farming gil?

I'm saying it's too expensive based off what the developers said
I've heard a lot of things tossed around. Number one: the developers insinuated that 850k was the ballpark for housing. Number two: the developers said it would be less than Free Company housing.

You can currently purchase a house for ~1,500,000G after it is fully devalued (basing prices off of the middle category of pricing.) This is almost double what the 850k number is; however, it is consistent with costing significantly less than what Free Company housing was going for when the housing wards were initially released.

When the housing wards were initially released, I remember buying pineapple juice consistently for raiding at the price of <1000G. Now, I am lucky to buy it for 3000G. There are many examples like this to show that even though the initial plot prices have remained the same, there is a lot of inflation. If you compare relative buying power of gil, being able to afford a 1,500,000G fully devalued house is a LOT more doable than it was when the housing was initially released.

I have all the money I need for a house, but there aren't any small houses left!
Are you SURE there aren't any small houses left? If this is the actually the case, you're probably on a legacy server. And this is a valid complaint. There is no reason you shouldn't be able to buy a house if you have the gil.

But, the reality is that this isn't the case for most servers. I feel for the people who are out of luck on legacy servers though.

I don't want to compete with Free Companies to buy a house
I don't see this really as an issue. Most Free Companies bought houses long before the individual housing was released. If anything, I think sharing wards with Free Companies only creates for a neighbourhood with more people running around it, which is a very cool feel in an online game. And, more people to water your flowers for you.


Are you still upset about housing? You probably are. And that's fine. But just remember this:

This, too, will pass in time.

Think back to everything that have passed: login capacity at launch, incredibly high repair costs draining everyone's gil, instance capacity and waiting in AK queues for 60 minutes to get one run done, first Titan HM kills being glitchfests, warriors being useless tanks, being so excited to fight Behemoth and dying to an invisible mob at 1FPS, original housing being unaffordable, hunts have way to little HP, S ranks being invisible to 95% of people there.

Think about all of these things that upset us in the past. I look back and smile now. Did I enjoy the game still? Do I still enjoy the game? For me, the answer is yes.

Just so you're aware, the whole reason there is and will be limited land, and prices are so high is because Yoshi does NOT want everyone to be able to buy a house. Since their server infrastructure is substandard, we get to the pay the price of SE's poor planning by not having enough land slots at a decent price to go around.

Also, while we're on the subject, housing/land costs are so high because the economy has been mismanaged. Remember when all the whiners were complaining that there wasn't enough gil fountains? Now there is so much gil in circulation that large PERSONAL houses can cost up to 87 MILLION Gil. That is completely ludicrous. Again, the subscriber pays the ultimate price.

I worked hard in 1.0 to get around 30 million gil which was a respectable amount in that game. FC/Personal housing was being talked about and I felt I would have plenty to purchase a house. That's how long I've been patiently waiting. I had my gil chopped by a factor of 10 when 2.0 hit down to 3 million. I hoped that Yoshi would stay true to his word that this was a true redenomination. But I was skeptical because the max gil you could carry in 1.0 was 999 million and it remained the same in 2.0. I worked hard again and had gotten my total up to 10 million before 2.38 thinking that would be plenty to buy a mediumish house when separate personal housing came. I thought it would be fine because, you know, personal housing would be much cheaper I had been told.

Imagine my shock, after all those months, when 2.38 hit and I finally got a chance to login. The cheapest house available for purchase was 27 million gil - this would have been 270 million in 1.0 which is a completely insane crazy bananas amount of gil if you played 1.0 at all.

I'm extremely disappointed and have stopped playing for the meantime. Salt has been poured on my wounds as I realized that my real problem is that I'm stuck on a Legacy server on which everything is purposefully inflated. During 1.0 it was said the FC housing would be priced appropriately so that a few people would have to pool their gil together. So the lie that personal housing would be cheaper goes back even further than Yoshi's statement some months ago. Pricing both the same is an insulting decision and is deeply duplicitous.

[reality_check]

I'm stuck on a Legacy server on which everything is purposefully inflated..

Yes, the legacy server situation is broken. And, hopefully this gets fixed in time.

[TrystWildkey]

"We've released the Second Coil of Bahamut. However, due to server stress, there are only 160 instances available. Once those instances have been used, you'll have to wait until next patch to try. Oh, and we're still releasing a limited number of instances on the next patch, but hope to eventually release more. So, Second Coil of Bahamut is released, we know not everyone will be able to play it initially, but please look forward to it"

Now, OP, would you still defend a situation like that? If not, why? And how would that be any different than the current housing travesty??