Nexus vs High Allagan

[CrimmMD]

Looks like a lot of terrible players are salty when someone mentions how you can get the best weapon in the game without having an ounce of skill.

[Bushido_Brown]

No one but the OP is upset about the weapons, everyone else is just tired of people whining about relic vs coil (entitlement). The coil weapon has been BiS for the last 6+ months, all the while relic folks were complaining. Now that the relic is up to par, it's coil folks' turn to whine. In a few months the next coil weapon will be BiS again, and the cycle starts over...
c'mon kid...

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

I don't have a Relic beyond Atma (and that thing is going to rot in my retainer's inventory for a long time), I threw out my first Animus book when I saw they were never going to really do anything about the atma grind + boredom completing the Animus content. Never bothered to even find out about Novus, and the only reason I know of Nexus is because suddenly people want to run instances with me again (instead of just hunting) so they can get whatever lights they need.

Zodiac Saga allowed me to make up my mind quite firmly: So long as I'm always given an alternative, I won't have and won't want a relic weapon. Atma's a pointless upgrade, Animus slightly makes sense, but still not terribly interesting, Novus (as I hear) is just a big time/gil sink, and w/e to Nexus. . . I've got the skill for Coil and I actually enjoy it. I'll take that route.

[Urielparadox]

It's not even a few months it's a few weeks and the new coil weapon will be out. Also the nexus weapon takes way way way more time and work then a high allagan weapon does. The ha wpn just takes skill and a good group. When I work in Kitchens as a Chef it's extremely hard for me to get a coil group together because 60-70 hrs work weeks and randomly being called in. Are you saying players with skill, but work shouldn't have access to equal weapons. Most people that have ha weapons maybe put in 40 hrs at coil, just as this nexus is released. The atma stage alone takes 20hrs. Books take 20hrs, alexandrite takes more then 20 hrs, and nexus takes 20-40. That's triple the amount of effort. If anything the new allagam weapon in 2.4 should be weaker then the next stage of relic if we are talking about amount of time and effort. What about smn book which has skill speed on it? Summoner doesn't benefit from that Stat at all the ha smn book was made crapy from the get go, by the dev team.

[Zenaku]

Yoshi-p said that Relic going to be BIS at some point like when PLD get there hands on Excalibur. He said that no other weps can be best becuase it's a Excalibur. He also said that relic would have something special at E3 maybe a buff,spell,ws or w/e.
It may be something lame as change the look of LB or emote or something. Get the wep because you want it not because it's going to be BIS at some point.

By the time it does become a relic it be a hard long quest to get a BIS that may not even be that much of BIS vs the raid version out there. The fact we be wasting days and months to upgrade it every new Raid patch may not be worth it. When you could just use the Raid wep just get the new version of it next raid patch.

Most people would be thinking why waste hours and months doing a hard quest to get BIS wep when i could just get this other wep in a raid that 5-10 Ilvl and less the work and still be good enough to do the next raid?

So at the end do it because you want too because they always be other Wep that less the work for little less stats. The special thing yoshi-p said can't be overpower so it may just be something as lame as changing the look of something. You can't make it very good because then the new raid have to be harder and people can't do it with just the raid wep.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

Thing is, I'm all too aware that Relic weps are going to be the best in the long run, but as it stands right now, I can neither agree with, nor justify what it takes to get it. This is a personal thing. Someone summed it up pretty well once in saying that the road to getting it - that is, taking on the highest sub-raid level challenges (HM Primals, pre-Extreme modes) made sense both lore wise and logically. From what I've learned of Nexus, it seems like a bit of a return to that. Just a little. I could see myself possibly doing that. But I have 2 other gates now to get through, that aren't appealing at all. I'm not taking on a challenge - And let me please clarify here, that's where I find my meaning for the relic weapon, personally - I'm just looking at a set of to-do lists and an expensive/time consuming process. It just doesn't interest me. Really just devalues the end reward for me, again, personally.

[chidarake]

relic is not for everyone just like raid weapons aren't.

personally I see relic as a personal challenge, yeah it has a lot of mundane stuff for you to do but it forces you to take part in all aspects of the game pre raid. ex primals and coil shouldn't be a part of it because those take more time to learn than most people can be asked to do plus on top of it with random's it can be very hard to get a clear and some people don't have time for statics.

if relic and raid leap frog each other to be bis every once in a while I don't see a problem, as really neither one will be so much better you have to rush out and own it. If you feel like you should then you should of already started relic and kept up with it or best get to it s the grind is getting longer, and no they shouldn't make it to easy for people to catch up on relic just like raid weapons shouldn't be easier to get.

[Danbo05]

It takes just as much dedication to obtain a Nexus weapon, as it does to obtain a High Allagan Weapon, if not more. Sure, HA may require skill to obtain, but you gotta pour hours and hours and grind your heart out, just to obtain a Nexus Weapon. You're also pouring gil into it if you went the route of spending for materia, and maxing out 2 stats. So, why not be better than HA? Even if it is better, its only better by a tid bit. 10 crit/skillspeed/spellspeed/piety/accuracy is not that big of a difference. And 10 det is only like a 1 dps loss. I get that T9 is a big accomplishment, but so is obtaining a Nexus. Just ask all the people who are still stuck farming for 1 atma.

And think about it, HA has been BiS for 3 months now, and Nexus is only gonna be BiS a month before the next patch, where the ilv is gonna get raised to 130-135. After that, its gonna fall off again, and the new weapons are gonna be better for a short period of time. So I really don't see a problem with this.

[BobbinT]

iirc, I read somewhere on the latest TGS live letter notes that Yoshi's gonna ease up atma farming.

[wicked-one]