People using frontlines to upgrade relic causing inbalence

[Venom]

In the recent 2.38 patch they added a new way to upgrade relic to i115, because of this people only want to be their main class in Frontlines. This is causing an even bigger gap in the amount of healers immortal flames had. Today I have seen 1 healer in a 24 man alliance, which is not surprising since there are no healer guilds in Uldah and a lot of people's main are the class are what they started as, which sees Flames having a lot of Monks and Paladins. People used to get around this to an extent with changing jobs but since the new way of upgrading relic this is going to be impossible.

I would much rather do a frontlines in a smaller alliance where jobs are a criteria like in PVE, such is 2 healers 2 tanks and 4 dps being mandatory, than do it with such a massive handicap to lose almost every time feeling ashamed to be a flame.

Frontlines has been out for quite a while now and in my opinion not only do jobs need to be balanced more the alliances need to be fairer.

[Venom]

There needs to be some kind of solution for people to remain a flame without seeing 4 PLD 0 Healer 2 MNK 2 BLM in 1 party so often, when asking them to change job that won't work since they want this message at the end The Artemis ***** Novus emits a brilliant light!Surely one solution could be to enter with the Novus, change job and at the and still get the relic contribution even as a different class since contribution could be based on the weapon entering with?

Or as I mentioned above smaller alliances with mandatory job slots?

A third solution could be to add another healer class in the game and have it starting in the Uldah area. It won't have an effect right away but in the future it would help.

[Ultimatecalibur]

Lack of Healers is not related to Novus/Nexus, but due to Scholars and White Mages losing Cleric Stance. No longer able to be the power class they once were many players of Healers have changed role or stopped playing.

[Gor]

Lack of Healers is not related to Novus/Nexus, but due to Scholars and White Mages losing Cleric Stance. No longer able to be the power class they once were many players of Healers have changed role or stopped playing.

nah, not when it comes to Flames. Flames has always had a low healer population since day 1 on frontlines release, which is why they lose so much. when i swapped to Flames there were many games where there were only 2 healers on the entire 25man FLames team. no one ever rerolls heals for the sake of their teams. they all want to dps and go pld so its not uncommon to see nothing but full plds and dps alliances on their side. so they get what they deserve. another loss because no one wants to heal.

edit: if healers have indeed become a less common-sight in frontlines, it is a more realistic assumption that its because of the infinite queue times, not the cleric stance removal. i'm one of the healers who quit frontlines because of the queue times, before the patch, and i have no intentions of coming back. i got tired of sitting in over an hour long queues just to get a 15 minute game, so i've just started playing other mmos. i might come back and hop in to do a few pve content stuff adn wolves den 4v4s, but as for frontlines, i'm over and done with that. no one wants to wait over an hour for a queue and the removal of cleric stance is just the straw that broke the camel's back especially for the SCHs who incorporated the skill into their main playstyle; they don't want to wait all that time to play a gimped playstyle. there is no incentive for them to come back, at least not as a healer anyway.

[kisada]

My guess is that SE will attempt to solve this by not letting you upgrade nexus in FL (which would be hilarious) thinking that that's the sole reason for any healer imbalances (which would be wrong).

[blowfin]

Healer balance was fine last night in the matches I participated in. That's to say, there were 2-4 healers per group, not 4-6, our B group only had 1 healer but that was fine. I did notice a lack of experience out there though, probably a combination of people running FL for Nexus, and butthurt healers/pre-mades going AWOL coz of the patch. Let's face it though, the majority of casual PvP players probably haven't touched Frontline for quite some time anyway. I was encouraged by how open and free flowing the match was actually.

Anyway, 2 minute queues, full matches of 72 players. Certainly not the doomsday scenario people were predicting.

[Gor]

In the recent 2.38 patch they added a new way to upgrade relic to i115, because of this people only want to be their main class in Frontlines. This is causing an even bigger gap in the amount of healers immortal flames had.

i swear i think SE gets a rise out of flatlining their own content. its like they dont think things through before implementing anything. if ppl are indeed doing this, in no way should pvp content be able to affect pve content (other than spirit bonding) and vice versa.

[blowfin]

i swear i think SE gets a rise out of flatlining their own content. its like they dont think things through before implementing anything. if ppl are indeed doing this, in no way should pvp content be able to affect pve content (other than spirit bonding) and vice versa.

Did you even read my post? Balance seemed fine last night. Queue times are pretty much exactly the same as when I last went into FL a couple of months ago. The match was free flowing and a lot of fun. For every healer that has left with their tail between their legs, there might be a person (or probably two) to replace them because of Nexus. Why in hell is that a bad thing? You claim to be in favor of them keeping PvP healthy, but you are against players coming in to work on their Nexus? My mind boggles. Not to mention that fact that healers are probably working on their Nexus weapons in Frontline too, it's not just DPS and Tanks, kind of a massively derpy oversight to make.

P.S. you guys sound like you have garbage PvP populations. The JP situation is much better.

[tehomegaking]

This is just absurd. Now I can't even get into a game with healers on my team. I don't know if it's cleric or this Nexus, but FL is becoming unbearable. Never had a problem with a lack of healers in adders, now it's in every game I've played.

[Gor]

This is just absurd. Now I can't even get into a game with healers on my team. I don't know if it's cleric or this Nexus, but FL is becoming unbearable. Never had a problem with a lack of healers in adders, now it's in every game I've played.