People using frontlines to upgrade relic causing inbalence

[Gor]

All you have as point is that player are lazy and do not gear up other class and play frontline thinking they win because of this.
This is not anything but player laziness and what mention before that they want easy win while put in no effort by themself.

There is no fix for laziness? Post highlight very clear already what true problem is and has nothing to do with lack of healer guild in Ul'dah.

Am I right to say this?

yep that pretty much sums up Flames. laziness and ignorance plagues them and most don't seem to care. i have no idea how they all ended up on the same GC tho, but my theory is that since initially when FL started, they kept losing because of having no healers, they just got content with losing, so the more serious players left the GC or quit, while the players who didn't give a s---, stayed. and just over time they got left with the the bad, the lazy and the ones who don't care which has evolved into today's Immortal Fails on Primal. don't get me wrong, not all of them are bad players, its just that the bad far out-weigh the good and there's nothing the players who actually play to win can do about it besides leaving the GC. one time i was in a game where a player intentionally remained dead the entire match but proceeded to talk and laugh about it in alliance chat and he couldn't be kicked and this was after the vote kick patch was implemented so, it seems you still can't kick players who are dead at a flag where there is constant battle going on.

and many games i tried to tell them what to do, (i.e. go to mid in XX amount of minutes, attack Manor, etc) they don't listen or they rage back at me calling me names or to stop telling them what to do. one day a Flamer on my server sent a message to me telling me to stop telling people what to do and let them do what they want because they aren't hardcore pvp players. so i told him, well i tell people what to do because they're not doing the right thing and if you're not playing to win, then why are you queuing?

i'm off Flames now, i went back to Maelstrom, but yea, that's the kind of players that are on Flames and i feel no sympathy when they lose whatsoever. in fact, when i play BRD or BLM i go out of my way to make sure i kill every Flamer on sight because i know they're a bad making the game miserable for their comrades.

and you're correct, there is no fix for laziness. i don't know about the other data centers, but there's alot of that on Primal. i seem to think the JP servers tend to have more serious players who want to look good, so lazy playing isn't encouraged or accepted.

[Sessurea]

didn't read thread but just inform the team they can return b4 the end of the game and switch class.

[Sonoran]

I experienced the lack of effort Flames side as well. Try and give them a strat and most didnt listen or would poke fun at you for trying. A lot of games after 2 minutes they also just gave up and sat at their flag....just horrible. I switched because of the queue times, figured faster queues get to play more, win some lose some....nope lost almost 100%...third place. 1 week I played I couldn't even get the full 3 wins for my log, only got 2 after 1 full week.

[Divinemight]

To makes the Flames feel better, your misery may be caused by the bug. Found under Confirmed/To be address (JP) section:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ゲージが上昇しないことがある

Scenario:

Flame captured the Market, 4 Flames vs 4 Adders within the capture circle.

The capture gauge is going down for the Flames when Adders has pushed back one Flame out of ring. (4 Adders vs 3 Flames)

The capture gauge stop when Flame re-enter the ring. (4 vs 4)

The capture gauge still won't move after the Flames have pushed one Adder out of ring. (3 Adders vs 4 Flames). This caused Flames in a disadvantage position. Similar incidents also being reported on various JP discussion site where similar bug can be found in Temple and Manor.

[Chiramu]

I'm upgrading my Novus to Nexus on WHM. I'm sure plenty of others are like me. OP, how come you are not changing role?

[ExKage]

Most people just don't have a healer leveled. They also don't care if they win or lose if they join frontlines for the nexus light. Why? Cause there's no change to what kind of light you get no matter what place you finish. Before I always saw lots of DPS in Immortal Flames. Now? I see lots more tanks. I see SMN who wouldn't switch to heal even though there is no healer on their team.

I leveled a healer and now that I have it capable to do frontlines I almost always switch to healer because... we have 0 or only 1. Rarely this week have I seen more than 1. Thankfully I still got my wins for challenge log but ow. I'd like to reach rank 40 sometime but I'm only rank 34 despite doing frontlines every week and being around rank 19 when FL dropped.

[NorthernLadMSP]

The saddest part is the excuses they come up with not to win. I queued into Frontlines on Saturday on my WHM (yes, I'm working on WHM Nexus).

I get into team A. I'm the only healer in a party otherwise full of tanks and DPS. I asked politely a few times if someone could switch, preferably two so we could have three healers.

I was told, literally, "you don't need more healers, you need tactics." This pissed me off quite a bit.

Of course, we immediately lost the flag at Manors. So, I said screw this and changed to BLM. The people who didn't need healers, just tactics, can just go about their business and die. I'm not gonna heal idiots.

[Gor]

I was told, literally, "you don't need more healers, you need tactics."

if only they knew the ONLY tactic in pvp is to kill the healer ... then the rest follows after.

[Gor]

Most people just don't have a healer leveled. They also don't care if they win or lose if they join frontlines for the nexus light. Why? Cause there's no change to what kind of light you get no matter what place you finish. Before I always saw lots of DPS in Immortal Flames. Now? I see lots more tanks. I see SMN who wouldn't switch to heal even though there is no healer on their team

which is why advancements in pve should be separate from pvp and vice versa. all it does is draw leechers who are just looking for the quickest way to get s--- done. they aren't true to the struggle and this is why short-term solutions will never work. it just makes the game miserable for those who are really into the niche.

[Atreus]

which is why advancements in pve should be separate from pvp and vice versa. all it does is draw leechers who are just looking for the quickest way to get s--- done. they aren't true to the struggle and this is why short-term solutions will never work. it just makes the game miserable for those who are really into the niche.

Truer words have never been spoken. I certainly don't mind the extra light for nexus, but it really has no place in PvP. Can safely say I've seen very solid leads thrown away because people wanted to switch jobs. It's kind of gross.