Quote Originally Posted by Ignnis View Post
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If they are in melee range you can just use any of your hate moves to do that and use less tp. Also if the hate is about to flip a lob will not hold it very long. If they are trying to run off then they are no longer in melee and that's when it's useful.

An example if you have 2 mobs and one is about to flip just crack it with a Spirits / Halone or a Brutal / BB. Typically I would just use a flash or two. In general in group fighting you would either concentrate on the group in general lots of flash / soc / op / Steel Cyclone or you rotate hate moves from your rotation. If you are about to lose one you would focus more on that mob to lock it down.

Either way all of those are in melee range. Most of the people I group with (not everyone of course) only use it for pulls or if one runs off but typically that one is provoked / lobbed