[dev1123] - Can we have all 3 Action Bars showing up at once?

[Ilean]

They are obviously going to, not only they said they are but the revamp of the action bar (visually show recast) points to it. Also there is mention of lessening dependence on the chat log, which is severely increased by having to rely on macros to make up for the missing action bar slots.

I hope we get completely free key mapping, actions on 1-0, F1-F12 and camera on arrows «YES PLEASE!»

[Rydin]

It'll definitely free the "up" and "down" keys for another use in the targeting system and relieve a lot of the targeting issues.

I guess one long bar would make it so you don't have to go up or down....
But for controller or even keyboard people... wont that end up being more button presses and more time getting to each action?

I also hope they prioritize showing all actions at once. Changing between sets of 10 is too cumbersome.

I don't know that cumbersome is the right word. At any point... there are always 4 actions that are one button press away from the action the cursor is on... Left, right, up and down...
One long action bar changes that... and in essence, increases the amount of time needed for everyone except people using a mouse

[AnaTien]

I'm all for "Option" of 3 action bars on your screen, its very cumbersome in its current state (playing keyboard/mouse setup). Would be easy to have it listed under configuration so you can switchout whatever you like, im capped on macro's (that are in my reach on the keys) and have started to overlap macro's that dont conflict each other due to your current class.

Would Really REALLY like to see the option of being able to "Mark" an add like you could in lev quests, while your in a say dungeon or any party for that matter, however setup differently as that system just required more and more macros to use efficiently. WoW had great "Marking" abilities and could hotkey the "Signs" to any Key...Hotkeys.. More Hotkey Options preeeaassee!! and Thank you =)

[Lumidus]

Yes~ Gimme dat! I would like to see all actions on screen

[Renshi]

I seriously can't see anything wrong about this, but... I just find it useless.
I mean, what's the use? I'm imaging this as a clusterf*ck of interactive materials appearing at the bottom when you engage a monster. Like

|OOOOOOOOOO |OOOOOOOOOO |OOOOOOOOOO
\------------------ \----------------- \-----------------

or

|OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
\----------------------------------------------------

Ok, it frees Up and Down, but a keyboard+mouse user would go 0-9 in the binding, and then? Mouse clicking? Arrow sliding?
Since CTRL and ALT are used for Macros, it'll not be possible to go CTRL/ALT+#.

Nothing wrong with it. I just... can't see it.

[Evangela]

make it customizable! everyone happy

[LuciBlack]

I dont understand any of you.
I have no problem useing my arrow keys for ability choise.
w and s for forward back.
a and d for camera left and right.
and numpad 8 and 2 for camera up and down.
I use numpad del to take out weapon, numpad 3 to lock on, numpad 0 to change targets, and enter to use ability.

The keyboard is programable enough for you to make your own key config to your liking.

even if we had all 30 abilitys on screen at once, you would still be useing the arrow keys to find the ability u want to use.
unless your dependant on mouse.

I do not... i repeat.. do Not want to see all 30 actions on my screen... then i will feel overcumbered.
I dont want to be crowded with abilities on my screen.

Every player players differant, so the only solution is to make the UI customizable. Makes everyone happy.

[Tsukino]

I dont understand any of you.
I have no problem useing my arrow keys for ability choise.
w and s for forward back.
a and d for camera left and right.
and numpad 8 and 2 for camera up and down.
I use numpad del to take out weapon, numpad 3 to lock on, numpad 0 to change targets, and enter to use ability.

The keyboard is programable enough for you to make your own key config to your liking.

even if we had all 30 abilitys on screen at once, you would still be useing the arrow keys to find the ability u want to use.
unless your dependant on mouse.

I do not... i repeat.. do Not want to see all 30 actions on my screen... then i will feel overcumbered.
I dont want to be crowded with abilities on my screen.

Every player players differant, so the only solution is to make the UI customizable. Makes everyone happy.

You obviously don't understand because you use only the keyboard. You also wouldn't notice if you used just a gamepad. This is a keyboard+mouse issue.

When you play like this, your left hand is on the left side of the keyboard, and your right hand is on the mouse (assuming you're right-handed anyway). That means the arrow keys on the keyboard are out of the way of either hand - you have to move one or the other to change bars. Additionally, if you're clicking on action buttons instead of just using the number keys, you now have to do two things instead of one to activate an ability.

Moreover, because the arrow keys are used for more than one thing and there currently is no key binding option for changing action bars, anytime you click somewhere else (rotate the camera, change targets, click party names, use a menu) it takes the focus off the action bar and now your arrow keys don't switch action bars at all. Like I already posted, this means party members dying because their healer on keyboard+mouse couldn't get to the right bar when they needed to a lot of the time.

They want to make all input methods viable in this game (hence the update in 1.18a that will increase visibility for gamepad players and keyboard players who don't use the number shortcuts) and this is something that needs a couple adjustments for one of those three methods.

Obviously some people don't want to display all three (or more possibly in the future) action bars, but no one in this thread wants them to be on for everyone all the time. They just want the option to do so.

[Payadopa]

You obviously don't understand because you use only the keyboard. You also wouldn't notice if you used just a gamepad. This is a keyboard+mouse issue.

Exactly, and it's sooo annoying. I can barely click on that tiny arrow to scroll up and down. Why can't the mouse wheel scroll up and down as soon as the arrow floats over the ability bar? Displaying 3 rows at once sounds good, too, but it'll probably be too big.

Edit: Can I have a toggle of the ability description? I think I finally know what my abilities do. Moreover, I can barely see my PC behind that wall of text. I'm sure most Lalafells have the same problem.

[Eekiki]

Edit: Can I have a toggle of the ability description? I think I finally know what my abilities do. Moreover, I can barely see my PC behind that wall of text. I'm sure most Lalafells have the same problem.

I mentioned this quickly before, but with the default widget layout when playing in 720p (which I'm guessing is what the PS3 version will display in) the pop-up text on abilities blocks where your target's HP and status effects are displayed. I would also like the ability to turn this off, or reduce it to displaying the ability name without the description.