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    Nephera's Avatar
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    Nephera Habasi
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gramul View Post
    3. Nothing here is out of unfairness. You want to make money, start making what people want.
    supplying people brings demand down shockingly.


    Quote Originally Posted by Gramul View Post
    The people who worked to earn that money aren't unfairly privileged for actually going for it. Please don't try to make base clean economics into an 'us vs them' issue.
    The way housing is implemented makes it an us vs them and an us vs us issue as there's an extremely limited number of houses to compete over in addition to their egregious pricing creating classes of haves and have-nots. and every house bought is a house someone else won't be getting, that's competitive whether you want to pretend it isn't or not..
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    Eisen Gramul
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nephera View Post
    supplying people brings demand down shockingly.
    Well yeah, but that's why you cycle your supply.


    The actual financial aspect isn't the main cause of the upset. Yes, Yoshi originally intended the prices to be less than the FC cost, but that's really more of a clarity and honesty issue. The real problem is the severe lack of available spaces to use and the competition between new FCs and the average player in terms of available space.
    I'm guessing they can't add many new areas due to the nature of the wards, but that's really something that should have been considered and attended well ahead of time. This whole thing feels like a hasty desperate move, and the end result is honestly way below the expectations for a company of this caliber.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gramul View Post
    I'm ultimately not concerned about the price. I'll make enough eventually.
    It's the severely limited space that makes me concerned.
    Yes, and of course those things are not in any way connected... If they had set up the servers properly in the first place there would be no need to but artificial barriers, such as extremely high gil requirements, on personal housing. There is absolutely no sensible reason why not everyone should be able to have a house in this virtual world.
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    Zumi Kasumi
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    I got my house because i logged in at server up not because i am 1% richest on the server. Small houses were gone in like couple hours. Everyone had the same chance to log in and buy one. 5m isn't even that much because so many ways to make gil. 2.4 they are doubling houses so if you want one and they sold out you can wait till then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zumi View Post
    I got my house because i logged in at server up not because i am 1% richest on the server. Small houses were gone in like couple hours. Everyone had the same chance to log in and buy one. 5m isn't even that much because so many ways to make gil. 2.4 they are doubling houses so if you want one and they sold out you can wait till then.
    im sorry as far as i know i pay the same sub as you, why should you have more content just because you logged first? we should all have access to the same game features regardless of who logs first.
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    - "We can [Stance]dance if we want to
    We can leave your friends behind
    Cause your friends don't [Stance]dance
    And if they don't [Stance]dance
    Well they're no friends of mine"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zumi View Post
    5m isn't even that much because so many ways to make gil.

    Do describe these methods by which you generate gil from the server.

    And forget about dungeons or challenge logs. Look a couple posts up for that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zantetsuken View Post
    Newer players to MMO games will likely draw from their experiences playing FPS games, GTA, Dragon Age, Skyrim, etc.. and they will evaluate a MMO based on that criteria. But other online games (and offline RPGs) are designed to be picked up, played for maybe 5 months and then abandoned for when the next big game comes along. A Veteran MMO gamer knows that the experience of the game is stretched out over years, and if crafted properly, it leaves players with some of the best gaming experiences to be found anywhere.
    Quote Originally Posted by kazeandi View Post
    This is the problem most content is solo and you get your group action from a cross-server queueing tool. This is not like older MMOs where servers developed real communities. It's more like MacDonald's Drive-Thru, where you queue up, do your run, then never meet those people again.

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    Well hopefully they stick with the Reduce Price by 50% every 30 days beyond the 1st 30 days so the price will drop eventually to a affordable price within 60 days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EdwinLi View Post
    Well hopefully they stick with the Reduce Price by 50% every 30 days beyond the 1st 30 days so the price will drop eventually to a affordable price within 60 days.
    The reality is a reduction in house price will only increase the biggest problem with the way they have handled both FC and personal housing. The biggest problem is there is not even close to enough supply to meet demand going on and patch 2.4 will not fix this. On most servers all small houses were snatched up within an hour, some within minutes like on mine and almost all medium and large houses are also taken already of which mediums go for around 35million on mine and over 80million for large, increasing the problem once more when making individuals and FC's compete for the same plots and the fact FC's and individuals are buying multiple plots for themselves further reducing the availability and supply.
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    Teryn Templa
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    Welcome to capitalism

    You must be new here
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grekumah View Post
    We sent off this request to the graphics team and they would like to thank you for the idea. (We promise that they didn’t facepalm at the request!)

    While we can't guarantee that a /facepalm emote will be implemented, we will continue to add emotes as we go!

    They DID IT! <3

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    I'm absolutely flabbergasted at the people saying "we're all equal" in this game. Uh. How exactly? If you have more resources (other player assistance, skill, TIME, gil, etc) than someone else, how are you exactly their equal...? I've never understood this way of thinking. If you want to say you're equal, then ALL variables involved in playing the game must be maintained consistently.

    Go ahead and rebuttal saying "Well, you just didn't work hard enough for it so it's your fault." Then by your blanketed logic, we're all equal and have been given the same opportunities in real life as well, it's just your fault you didn't work hard enough to get to where I am.. right?

    These online games DIRECTLY reflect how people act IRL. I mean look at how greedy people are about the market boards. And the cherry on the cake is the standard "rich" person response with: "I don't see a problem, stop complaining." But you know if they were put on the other side of the prosperity fence, they would be complaining just as much. It's hypocrisy at its finest.

    See, part of the reason I play and enjoy these MMOs to escape the ugliness of the real world, but most of the social issues (and the people who cause them) IRL are impossible to get away from as they are just as apparent in a game. Just look in a mirror, folks.

    So yes, the housing prices are ridiculous and to partition the few rich players from the rest of the player base and giving them access to exclusive content (choco raising/dyeing, gardening, housing) is ridiculous. Some people might not care about parts or all of that content, but your opinion in no way nulls someone else's opinion on the matter. If it's important to them, then gosh darn it, it is important to that person and you should respect that.

    Flame me all you want, I won't be responding. This is just my two cents that I wish more people would see.
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    Last edited by neiris; 09-17-2014 at 05:30 AM.

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