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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarzak View Post
    Logic. <Do you need it?>

    The top 1% have such insane amounts of money because the other 99% gave them all their money.
    the game world is not the real world. this is actually backwards in the game. why would the 99% give the top 1% any money at all?

    The top 1% will buy your materia and buy other items you acquire. if you choose to only make gil through NPC methods that's your choice but you don't ever have to spend money besides on NPC methods either (and maybe food). but nobody rips you for not using food for stuff like ST and Hunts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SendohJin View Post
    the game world is not the real world. this is actually backwards in the game. why would the 99% give the top 1% any money at all?

    The top 1% will buy your materia and buy other items you acquire. if you choose to only make gil through NPC methods that's your choice but you don't ever have to spend money besides on NPC methods either (and maybe food). but nobody rips you for not using food for stuff like ST and Hunts.


    /facepalm

    How do you think they are the 1%? They leveled crafts out the gate and the other 99% gave them all their gil for mediocre items. 1 mil per Vanya piece goooo.

    But ignore logic it's cool. The 1% are spending all their money on materia.... but have all the money........... right.


    Not to materia doesn't GENERATE gil. It trades it.. and actually reduces gil due to Market board taxes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Felis View Post
    Uh, you forgot something

    Challenge Log :

    Dungeons - 3000 gil
    Guildhest - 3000 gil
    FATE - 3000 gil
    Levequests - 3000 gil
    DoH - 5000 gil
    DoL - 6000 gil
    Treasure Hunt - 3000 gil
    Beast Tribe Quests - 3000 gil
    Retainer Ventures - 5000 gil
    Companions - 3000 gil
    Player Commendation - 1000 gil
    Overall Completion - 18000 gil

    Could read the part about "without limits" but ok lets go down this rabbit hole.

    Ignoring the costs of anything involved (mats for DoH, repairs, greens for choco, etc, etc) 56k a week. Lets say you also do 20 dungeons a week because you well... Live in the basement. And round that all out to 100k net profit a week.

    50,000,000/ 100,000 = 500 weeks.

    52 weeks a year...

    So in a little over 9 years you will be good to go.


    ^ for a large house btw. Small would be 50 weeks. Or almost a year.

    So for 1 individual to have a large house in 6 months it would take 20 people giving that individual all of their challenge log + dungeon gil. (which of course means a small house in 6 months would take 1 additional person giving you all their gil. So hey if they have nothing but 5 mil houses only half the server will be homeless!
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    Last edited by Zarzak; 09-17-2014 at 04:52 AM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Zantetsuken View Post
    Newer players to MMO games will likely draw from their experiences playing FPS games, GTA, Dragon Age, Skyrim, etc.. and they will evaluate a MMO based on that criteria. But other online games (and offline RPGs) are designed to be picked up, played for maybe 5 months and then abandoned for when the next big game comes along. A Veteran MMO gamer knows that the experience of the game is stretched out over years, and if crafted properly, it leaves players with some of the best gaming experiences to be found anywhere.
    Quote Originally Posted by kazeandi View Post
    This is the problem most content is solo and you get your group action from a cross-server queueing tool. This is not like older MMOs where servers developed real communities. It's more like MacDonald's Drive-Thru, where you queue up, do your run, then never meet those people again.

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    Not for the 1% for sure, many people are willing to pay the price, but it's not for everyone either, they will have to address the lack of wards in one way or another, doubling the current amount will not be enough for both characters and FCs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarzak View Post
    /facepalm

    How do you think they are the 1%? They leveled crafts out the gate and the other 99% gave them all their gil for mediocre items. 1 mil per Vanya piece goooo.

    But ignore logic it's cool. The 1% are spending all their money on materia.... but have all the money........... right.
    if you can afford to spend 1M on Vanya, you're not in the 99%. who told you to buy Vanya instead of use Darklight? if you were that poor and you were still throwing gil at Vanya instead of selling Potash, that's your own fault for keeping yourself super poor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarzak View Post
    ^ for a large house btw. Small would be 50 weeks. Or almost a year.
    1 Year passed since 2.0. I bought my personal small house.
    Or did you want estate to be given you for free?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarzak View Post
    /facepalm
    Ignoring the costs of anything involved (mats for DoH, repairs, greens for choco, etc, etc) 56k a week. Lets say you also do 20 dungeons a week because you well... Live in the basement. And round that all out to 100k net profit a week.
    Gil the game throws you for running 6 DR every day: 248,395g a week if you meet the "in need" bonus.
    Gil the game throws at you for Challenge Log Completion: 56,000g a week.

    Mats for DoH? 0 gil. Level Gathering.
    Repairs. 0 gil if I wanted to be a dick about it, but I think 99 dark matter 5 costs 8k
    Greens for Chocobo. 0 gil if I wanted to be a dick again, but 3.6k

    TL;DR This game more or less THROWS money at you, and only 4 things in the challenge log require you to actually leave a main city instead of opening DF.
    Land is the issue here, not the price.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarzak View Post
    Best source of money generated from the server (without limit) is.. what a dungeon? Prolly get 2-3k per run?

    50,000,000/2,500 = 20,000..

    So sure do 20k dungeons and you can get a house on your own. Lets make it 19k to account for (daily bonuses and such - repairs).

    Good luck with that one.
    Uh, you forgot something

    Challenge Log :

    Dungeons - 3000 gil
    Guildhest - 3000 gil
    FATE - 3000 gil
    Levequests - 3000 gil
    DoH - 5000 gil
    DoL - 6000 gil
    Treasure Hunt - 3000 gil
    Beast Tribe Quests - 3000 gil
    Retainer Ventures - 5000 gil
    Companions - 3000 gil
    Player Commendation - 1000 gil
    Overall Completion - 18000 gil

    Also, why do you think every single person want to buy a L house? A M house is already very large for a single person.
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    Last edited by Felis; 09-17-2014 at 04:42 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Felis View Post
    Also, why do you think every single person want to buy a L house? A M house is already very large for a single person.
    Something about a higher limit on furniture?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Morningstar1337 View Post
    Something about a higher limit on furniture?
    I want a Large house so I can decorate the living bajesus out of it, and have people come in my home and enjoy themselves.
    I plan on making a nice garden, nice exterior and interior and have friends or anyone alike come and relax, or even have FC's come in and do whatever they want to.
    My home is everyone elses home, that's my plan anyways...just stay away from my garden and we're cool lol.

    @ Morningstar1337
    I posted my limit. So I hope you come back to this post.
    Yes you may. Take it now because I am planning to get a new one.
    Also, you can find plenty more at Tumblr. :3
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarzak View Post
    Because it isn't possible to generate money from the server in those quantities.
    1. What are you basing this on? Money is generated from a ton of sources. Dungeons are just one source.
    2. Not everyone should have access to a house off the bat. It should be something to work towards considering all the other options we have.
    3. Nothing here is out of unfairness. You want to make money, start making what people want. This is how trade works. The people who worked to earn that money aren't unfairly privileged for actually going for it. Please don't try to make base clean economics into an 'us vs them' issue.
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