[Dev 1082] Summoner Design Concept

[Zeref]

Interesting idea but lets leave the devs to making up skills for jobs, here's the thing though, every time you people put that much thought into an idea, you basically get closer to shutting down the possibility of a mechanic, generic suggestions are fine, but there is a reason companies refuse to flat-out use ideas from their costumers, even if they're good, because its a very big legal no-no, so lets include little less details next time, lest we get something good shut down because of over-active imagination.

[Forte]

Ok I didnt read all nine pages but after reading 6 of them I jumped to the end because I would like to get the ideas I have down before I forget them.

One it has been said that Primal's will be used in some way for when Ver2.0 comes out with free companies and my feeling is they will be one equip and when the "leader" uses it it will be a one time thing then have a recharge timer before u can use/call them again and this will be able to be swapped at the "base" of free companies.

Second people are forgetting that there are more then one set of "gods" in this game there is in fact 3 sets: The Primal's, The 12, and the Main Deity's of the city's/picked at the start of the game.

So why not make the Primals a one time use and make the essence of the 12 and the other gods what a smner uses?

[Jennestia]

Hm, it would technically throw out lore that the player is able to summon the Gods and Goddesses of Eorzea lol. Being able to make a pact with a Primal is already pushing it enough to be honest -- So I don't think anyone forgot there's more than one set of gods, it just wouldn't make sense to be able to summon the Twelve.

[Anima]

Ok I didnt read all nine pages but after reading 6 of them I jumped to the end because I would like to get the ideas I have down before I forget them.

One it has been said that Primal's will be used in some way for when Ver2.0 comes out with free companies and my feeling is they will be one equip and when the "leader" uses it it will be a one time thing then have a recharge timer before u can use/call them again and this will be able to be swapped at the "base" of free companies.

Second people are forgetting that there are more then one set of "gods" in this game there is in fact 3 sets: The Primal's, The 12, and the Main Deity's of the city's/picked at the start of the game.

So why not make the Primals a one time use and make the essence of the 12 and the other gods what a smner uses?

Hm, it would technically throw out lore that the player is able to summon the Gods and Goddesses of Eorzea lol. Being able to make a pact with a Primal is already pushing it enough to be honest -- So I don't think anyone forgot there's more than one set of gods, it just wouldn't make sense to be able to summon the Twelve.

There's actually only 2 sets of Gods here (Well I'd consider 1 since Primals are False Gods)
-The Twelve and the Deities are the same
-The Primals

@Jennestia
Yeah, it wouldn't make sense to be able to summon the Twelve.

[Forte]

Yet in FF11 the Avatars in that game were also Gods even if there were "slumbering" if you did all the avatar quest and did the super fights with all the Elements with them they were considered gods none the less and they even looked down on the teraestial avatars such as Carby and Diablos for being false gods (just like in FF14 with the 12 and the primals) so why couldnt we smn them in this game if were able to smn gods in 11?

[Jennestia]

XI has:

Terrestrial Avatars (Carbuncle, Diabolos, Fenrir, Phoenix and Bahamut)
Celestial Avatars (Ifrit, Shiva, Garuda, Titan, Leviathan, Ramuh)
Temporal Avatar (Atomos)
Tears of the Goddess (The 9 Cait Siths.)
(Odin and Alexander)

The gods of FFXI were Promathia and Altana (I forgot who Aht Urghan believed in, but it wasn't Altana), whom we don't summon at all in any way. The terrestrial avatars you had to do a bit more work to summon compared to the celestial avatars, but even then the story dictated you summoned a fraction of their power as a summoner, but they may be gods, they're not actual gods, the world isn't technically governed by them.


XIV's universe has a different type of god sets, for example the Twelve are gods/goddesses in the light of Promathia and Altana, so summoning them wouldn't make much sense, but the Primals are considered false gods but they're also the "main" summons from the series, which is why they're going to make it a Free Company type of deal, but for summoners they will get lesser summons like Carbuncle as yoshida exampled.

[Forte]

Also we also know the Garlen's do not pray to the 12 or the Primals; so they also should have "Gods" so smner could be a evil job from there land and not of this region *as ninja and sam are far east type jobs*. Also while re-looking up the 12 junk there is mention of The Source then then turned into one of the 12 yet is not one of the 12 so could have more beings like the source that manifests in "lesser" forms as mentioned

*also Odin and Alex are Celestial Avatars all be it special ones they are considered Celestial none the less also had no idea about the other avatar types I quiet 11 years ago due to slow progression in WOTG*

[Forte]

Also more history on your the world not being Governed by them:
Then why were then they so feared in the "Waking the Beast" quest? If they woke up from there true slumber it is said that the world would change and could bring a end to the Terrestial Avatars due to turning them into beasts. So I would have to disagree on them not having any bearing on the world and yes there were Gods like Promathia, Altana, and Zahak *the god you couldn't remember* but Altana raised the Celestial Avatars to the plains of the God's.
Yes, they are not as strong has her but they did have control and power over the world. Also "The 12" only have influence on the continent of Eorzea not the whole world so they do not sound as powerful as you think they are they sound just and bound as the Elemental Avatars do in 11. Citation: ""The Twelve" are twelve benevolent deities of Eorzea who ruled the continent and its surrounding islands until the arrival of wandering tribes. Impressed by the resilience of the primitive settlers, each of the Twelve mercifully saw fit to ensure their welfare. "

So unless there is nothing other then the continent *which we know there is due to some of the seasonal quest talking of the Far East and the Homeland of the Garlen Empire* it seems to me that they might be Gods but not the True Gods of the whole planet *The Source could be the one True God for all we know*.

[Zeref]

my feeling is they will be one equip and when the "leader" uses it it will be a one time thing then have a recharge timer before u can use/call them again and this will be able to be swapped at the "base" of free companies.

This was already explained, Beating a primal will give you a single-use ability to summon the primal (only one can be summoned per server at a time, and it will be visible to the entire server like the eclipse when ifrit is summoned) after you summon it, you have to beat it again to gain the right to summon it again.

As for the 12 deities, a deity is a synonym for God, It is highly doubtfull we will be allowed to summon anything that is a single entity, We were already told that we would be allowed to summon minions of the primals as they are multiple entities, I can't confirm this next part but i think I heard somewhere that one of Leviathan's Minions will be Shiva, and one of Garuda's minions will be Carbuncle.

[Forte]

Were the heck are you reading all this stuff? I have listened to every interview and read alot of the stuff and they never got the in detail on the company's smning Primals. Last I knew they said they were working on allowing them still, if you can find it I would much like to read it (unless I total miss understand what I read).

Again the Celestial's are Gods they are called the "Sleeping Gods" yet they are smns and you use only a fraction of there power. I swear not all gods are ubber wtf pawn awesome shit. How hard is it that we could use them as smns? There is a glad. ws named after one of the Gods (in dats as i read) if they add it would it make it omfg broken? No, just doing there quests and winning there favor anything could be there reward so dont be so closed minded to the idea anything is possible I dont mind being wrong I just dont like people being so closed minded.