Canceling Sub over Housing

[Jican]

There's the door, don't let it hit you on the way out.

[Alurwen]

Jican - your sig line is awesome lol and proves that Yoshi lied to everyone. Why did they do that I wonder? Because they knew people would be upset about the truth and they wanted to keep sub's. This is very depressing since now we can't believe anything he ever says again.

[Jican]

Thank you Alurwen, someone else had it, so I searched for it myself to put it in there. I have been ostensibly working at my job and on the forums spreading the signature around so that people can see the obvious deceit.

And I agree. A man is only as good as his word, and once the trust is lost, it has to be built back up. I for one won't trust anything he says again.

[Themis]

Thank you Alurwen, someone else had it, so I searched for it myself to put it in there. I have been ostensibly working at my job and on the forums spreading the signature around so that people can see the obvious deceit.

And I agree. A man is only as good as his word, and once the trust is lost, it has to be built back up. I for one won't trust anything he says again.

The problem with that, though, is that you are actually wrong in your interpretation (which isn't that elusive or difficult to understand unless you purposely ignore facts that stare at you).

That quote was written in December when 2.1 was written. Now, unless you want to suggest that Yoshida also has a crystal ball and wrote that post knowing what the game situation would be like come October Patch 2.38, it's pretty obvious that he meant house prices for personal housing would be cheaper in 2.38 than it was in 2.1 (which he also recently confirmed).

And that's is actually true. Read the patch notes for 2.1. You'll find that (for my server, Excalibur) the smallest, crappiest house was 20 million gil. In 2.38, that same house is 4 million. That's a 1/5th of the price. I call this "far more affordable".

The price of the highest tier of houses was 312,500,000 gil. In 2.38, this same house is 87,500,000 gil, or less than 1/3 of the price. This I also call "far more affordable".

[Eamil]

Since we're parsing, how about the fact that the phrasing pretty strongly suggests this interpretation:

"prices will be completely separate from free company housing, and, naturally, far more affordable [than free company housing]."

He definitely didn't say "more affordable than these current 2.1 prices of free company housing," and in the full context of his post he had already addressed that the price of FC housing would be adjusted as time goes on so it doesn't even make sense for him to be referring to that. He was pretty clearly trying to assure people that player housing would be cheaper than FC housing, not "the same price as FC housing, but that price will be cheaper than it is now."

[Souljacker]

Since we're parsing, how about the fact that the phrasing pretty strongly suggests this interpretation:

"prices will be completely separate from free company housing, and, naturally, far more affordable [than free company housing]."

He definitely didn't say "more affordable than these current 2.1 prices of free company housing,"...

Not only that, but FC prices didn't go up. If the values of homes are being "adjusted for inflation from 2.1" why aren't the FC prices doubling? It doesn't make sense in ANY thoughtful interpretation.

[Jican]

The problem with that, though, is that you are actually wrong in your interpretation (which isn't that elusive or difficult to understand unless you purposely ignore facts that stare at you).

That quote was written in December when 2.1 was written. Now, unless you want to suggest that Yoshida also has a crystal ball and wrote that post knowing what the game situation would be like come October Patch 2.38, it's pretty obvious that he meant house prices for personal housing would be cheaper in 2.38 than it was in 2.1 (which he also recently confirmed).

And that's is actually true. Read the patch notes for 2.1. You'll find that (for my server, Excalibur) the smallest, crappiest house was 20 million gil. In 2.38, that same house is 4 million. That's a 1/5th of the price. I call this "far more affordable".

The price of the highest tier of houses was 312,500,000 gil. In 2.38, this same house is 87,500,000 gil, or less than 1/3 of the price. This I also call "far more affordable".

What part of "completely separate from free company housing" did I misinterpret again?

[Meier]

What part of "completely separate from free company housing" did I misinterpret again?

We're all wrong obviously. WE NEED TO BE MORE UNDERSTANDING!! Never mind the fact that the producer himself said to use these forums to give suggestions, and say what we like and don't like!

[Aoxaviar]

After reading over everything posted so far, and knowing what has been said in the past and reading how people have defended/persecuted Yoshi-P for it:

WHERE IS IT WRITTEN THAT THE LIVE LETTERS AND THE WORDS OF YOSHI-P AND THE DEV TEAM ARE A GOSPEL FOR THIS GAME!!!!

Sorry for the yelling. Yes, I have posted some things about this housing EPIC FAIL. However, to those who are cancelling over this issue, and to those who continue to play and are pissed, and to those who continue to play and are cool with it:

REALITY SHOWS THEY NEVER TOLD US ANYTHING!

For that the EPIC FAIL of this is due to them telling us nothing, and due to that we HYPER over built it up in our own heads.

I am also a part of that EPIC FAIL since they told us nothing, my dream of personal housing was to get a plot 2x the size of the large houses, put a cabana/shack/merchant stall on it, 2 4x4 gardens, a stable, crafting tables, NPC vendors, mail box, teleport stone, and have trees with hammocks for other players to lounge in. I also wanted a vault/tac room that would hold 1000 items and a strong box that would hold 50 of each amour/weapon type.

to all of you who are complaining - I win since I got nothing that I wanted, and they show no signs of ever adding it into the game. Yeah it sucked reading the notes during the upload. However, I also wasn't totally surprised by it.

However, when I have the money (2 to 4 years from now) I will finally go and get my personal house. On Exodus, since the 2.1 patch, the existing 5 wards weren't fully filled when they added the 6th, and since they have added the 7th and 8th, even more land will still be there. After the 2.4 upload, whatever property I want will probably still be waiting for me when I can finally purchase it.

To those of you on Legacy Servers and Servers that have an insane land rush after the patch went live, come over to Exodus. True you will lose playing with friends you have made over the last year, but you will be able to get your own pad pretty quick...and if you wait the 90 days for it to be cheaper, it will probably still be waiting for you to buy it.

Aoxaviar Issacs
Exodus Server
Master General - Scions of Fry Street

[RiverTams]

Imagine if nobody had complained when 1.0 came out.

there probably wouldnt be a FFXIV now.