No FC room, no personal house... big deal??

[Musashidon]

Exactly. You can't debate with someone when their platform for argument is "you don't see it my way and are therefore wrong."

but both sides are like this.

everyone should get a personal house if you think other wise you're wrong.

if you think everyone should get a perosnal house you're wrong.


either way it's an opinion and everyone has a right to it. noone is right, and noone is wrong.

[TouchandFeel]

That does not invalidate what I said, if someone takes the stance that their viewpoint is the only correct one, whatever side they are on, there can be no true debate on the subject.

Everyone is entitled to their opinions but I caution against continuing entrenched arguments where neither side will budge and to not let the opposition goad you back in.

[Amenian]

I admit. I'm mostly just fascinated by this mindset that people must be in an FC or they're playing the game wrong.

[Musashidon]

That does not invalidate what I said, if someone takes the stance that their viewpoint is the only correct one, whatever side they are on, there can be no true debate on the subject.

Everyone is entitled to their opinions but I caution against continuing entrenched arguments where neither side will budge and to not let the opposition goad you back in.

i was not trying to invalidate what you said just that both sides are like this.

[TouchandFeel]

i was not trying to invalidate what you said just that both sides are like this.

This is very true, the vast majority of either side of any argument tend to be very polarized and cut and dry. It makes me very happy when I see people approach such debates in a more open and diplomatic way, even if they themselves have a personal bias in the matter.

[scarebearz]

The response with rage and anger and bitter vitriol seems to be completely disproportionate for the personal housing content that has been added to the game. The raging seems like the the same raging people had against atma. What is so wrong with the idea that getting personal house is not something to be given out as an entitlement? Just like not everyone will have novus/nexus today? Last I checked there are still unsold small plots, not to mention lots of the medium and large ones. IF you want to decorate a place get a FC room and have fun.

You are on a Tiny server, on the medium/larger populated servers, the small houses have sold out.

Meaning an FC or private player can't get one, this is not "Entitlement", this is insane.

[NyneAlexander]

yea people gotta stop assuming that what happens on a small server, like faerie, is verbatim whats happening on every other server.

[Aylis]

^^^

Exactly. You can't debate with someone when their platform for argument is "you don't see it my way and are therefore wrong."

Pretty much, the only way they'll learn and see why people are upset will be the inevitable time SE does release functions they're interested in and want to use. Only to find out they can't cos they either have no house or that small 8 plot FC garden or whatever gets added between then has a seven month long waiting list before they can use it. We saw it with crafting, we saw it with chocobo dyeing and its safe to assume SE is going to come up with some over exasperated system of chocobo speed and stat allocations for Gold Saucer racing all tied to gardening. More to come in the future and eventually they will want something and then the tune will change.

[RakaMaimhov]

Why is it we hear about people buying up 4 small houses instead of sharing and building a FC that can buy the 1 big one?

The person in question who bought 4 houses actually also has 4 rank 6+ Free companies all with houses already.

According to several people I've talked to, 1 person bought up 4 houses on our server alone while they were still available.

This is referring to the same person as above, and I can confirm they have 4 houses. They are in the same ward as a friend in my FC. :3

I've got nothing against the player with 8+ total houses. They're a nice person. I personally think it's a bit unfair that they can take advantage of the limited housing this way at the disadvantage of other players. That's a LOT of gardening space.

[Niwashi]

Solo players should not get priority over the FC.

While I don't agree with much else that you've said, this is one point that I think you got right.

Individuals shouldn't get priority over FCs because they should never have been placed in competition with each other in the first place. We should be able to have both personal housing and FC housing and they shouldn't be fighting each other over access to the same houses. Personal housing and FC housing serve different purposes. Personal housing is so you can have a place you control, where you can decorate and garden and raise your chocobo and whatever else they decide to put there. FC housing is a place to gather together with your friends. (Essentially, personal housing is your character's home. FC housing is their community rec center.)

Right now, while both are using the same houses, FC's are at a disadvantage by needing to rank up to FC rank 6 before they can buy a house, whereas individuals only need to reach the top GC rank, which is a much easier requirement. At the same time, individuals are at a disadvantage financially because they have to accumulate the same amount of gil by themselves as an FC needs, even though the latter can pool together resources from all its members. It's a system that's screwed up in both directions.

Now, not only do FCs need to rank up to 6 (which was already a rather daunting task for new FCs), but they need to do it before all the houses sell out. Since I'm now in a small FC, it's taking a long time to rank up, but I had accepted that, looking at it as a long-term goal. Now that SE has added the difficulty of not only reaching rank 6 but reaching it at a point when there are houses available, however, I can no longer count on that goal being achievable at all. (Ok, that availability requirement actually already existed, but it's become a much bigger issue now that we have such a housing shortage.) The way personal housing was implemented means we're likely to never get an FC house, even once we're eligible for one.

Personal housing should be readily available to everyone at a price that's reasonable for a single individual. FC housing should be a viable long-term goal for FCs to work together towards. And neither should be competing with each other for the same space.

Some differences between what each should have:

• Personal housing should only have the small houses. If they want to include multiple size options, it could be between the way small houses were originally implemented (without a basement) and the way the current small houses are, but there's no reason for a single individual to have a medium or large house. Those sizes are designed to give more space for gatherings, and that's something that's geared towards the larger FCs.
• FC housing should not have gardens, at least not as currently implemented. The gardens in this game are designed to only be used by a single individual, so they belong in personal housing. (I did see a suggestion, however, for a greenhouse that would essentially be an FC compatible gardening area where each member would see their own garden there. If SE adopts something like that, it could go in FC housing.)
• The ward system, where your house is amongst multiple other houses, is designed to give a sense of a vibrant community, but that only works if they're all FC houses. Personal houses will never provide a system where you're likely to see your neighbors, simply due to the percentage of time an individual is there, so they belong in an individually instanced system, leaving the more community-oriented wards for FCs.