Personal Housing Complaint Thread

[HeroSamson]

this was posted.

Regarding Housing Plot Availability in Patch 2.38 and Beyond
Hello, everyone. Producer and Director Yoshida here.

First of all, let me thank you all for your continued feedback.

As stated in the patch notes for Patch 2.38, the plots of land available for purchase in the housing areas will be the same for both Free Company and individual buyers. The introduction of housing plots in the future will also follow this structure.

However, we were only able to introduce two new wards at the release of personal housing. We know that this is a very small number of additional wards, and are aware that this means that a large number of players will be unable to purchase land. Please accept our sincerest apologies for being unable to add a large number of new housing plots.

The development team has been making the most of limited server resources to develop a new system that will allow us to add as many new housing plots as possible, but as we need to perform extensive optimization and debugging operations, we will not be able to implement this until Patch 2.4.

Some of you may be thinking it would have been better to simply wait until the release of Patch 2.4 instead of adding just a couple of housing wards, but please understand that we would like to do our utmost to ensure that new land is opened up as soon as possible, even if that means adding only a small number.

In the future, we plan to be able to double the total land for all existing housing wards, including the two new wards, in Patch 2.4 with the system changes that we are currently working on.
(Basically, the number of wards available now will be doubled in Patch 2.4).

With our current schedule for stability checks, it’s going to be difficult to add this in time for the release of Patch 2.4, but both the server and housing teams are working as hard as they can to make it possible. Once again, I’d like to share my sincerest apologies to all our players who have been unable to purchase land in the latest patch. Please hold on for another month or so until the release of Patch 2.4.

I will be sure to give you another update on additional housing land before the release of Patch 2.4.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...52#post2435852

[Kadrothan]

I normally just peruse the forums to see what's being said, but I'll add my 2 gil on this seeing as it was a feature I was really looking forward to. Out of 13 years of MMOs, I saw two early games pull off housing (in my opinion) quite well. Star Wars Galaxies and EverQuest 2.

At launch Star Wars Galaxies had housing that was super affordable and you could place it in a wide range of locations. Decorating and upkeep of the house was the only thing you needed to really worry about. I saw some really impressive housing arrangements in those days and the interior decoration contests were super fun.

EQ2 was similar to the personal rooms we have for FCs, as their base rooms. Much larger apartments were available at launch for the right price. You didn't need to be associated with a guild to have said room. You even did a quest to get your own personal room for free (minus super cheap upkeep costs) that you could decorate as you saw fit.

Here... This is by far the most disappointing and inefficient means for housing I've seen in 13 years. Inn rooms you can't touch decorating wise. Personal rooms being dependent on if you can stay in your FC and not get booted for whatever reason. Being told personal housing was going to be cheaper than FC housing, yet on release it's matched pricing in the same wards... *sighs* This was one of the main features I was really looking forward to and saving up 2.1 mil is overshadowed by a 4 mil buy-in price with limited plots.
And for those who are saying "Why does it matter?" Well, to me it does because I'm like that. Let me gripe, say my piece and go about my business.

Edit: for text limit.

[Karen_Cerfrumos]

Add gardening to personal rooms.
Just this much would solve so much.

[MrKupo]

Optimism: The patch notes never say "Personal Housing". It calls what is being implemented "individually owned estates". Maybe this isn't personal housing yet...

[Stanelis]

Final Housing Crisis XIV: A realm reborn.

I 'm more concerned about the very small number of plots availables rather than their prices (there will be war).

[Riepah]

this was posted.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...52#post2435852

Sadly he confirms that the "Personal Housing + FC Housing = Same Thing" idea of theirs is intended to stay. Which naturally also suggests that the prices for Personal Housing are intended to stay the same as for FC Housing.

Even if he gave us 100 wards, expecting individuals to shell out the same amount that's too much for most Free Companies to pay is just ridiculous.

[Bori]

EQ2 was similar to the personal rooms we have for FCs, as their base rooms. Much larger apartments were available at launch for the right price. You didn't need to be associated with a guild to have said room. You even did a quest to get your own personal room for free (minus super cheap upkeep costs) that you could decorate as you saw fit.

Thanks agreed. I've been playing for almost 20 years and the same for me and EQ2's system was IMO perfect. The only other close second was LOTRO. Both had the same thing in common, they had a weekly upkeep. THAT alone will make new housing appear for those people who didn't want to keep the houses past a certain point. The mechanism was there for serious people who wanted to take advantage of the housing mechanics without penalizing the entire community. Those who didn't want to pay for housing had a small home (EQ2) that was free.

[TouchandFeel]

Forcing competition between singular players and FC's for limited housing plots is not a good thing as the extremely rich singular players will have a huge advantage over both the more casual singular player as well as smaller FC's and most of these extremely rich singular players are most likely members of well-off FC's that already have housing, essentially giving the elite player all the housing goodies and leaving very little to none for everyone else. This creates a huge amount of inequality among the playerbase and inequality leads to anger and resentment, which is not a good thing to breed in your players as potentially unhappy players are not necessarily loyal players.

The worst thing that this does though is that it seems to force the pricing to be the same whether for a FC or for an individual, which is ridiculous, and by linking them together it makes it incredibly hard to balance the pricing properly for both groups.

Simply put, combined FC Housing/ Personal Housing wards are a bad idea. Separate them into different ward instances, wards only for FC Houses and wards only for Personal Houses, so that they can be individually maintained and balanced in the long run, both for pricing and the number of wards necessary for each type.

[Riepah]

Optimism: The patch notes never say "Personal Housing". It calls what is being implemented "individually owned estates". Maybe this isn't personal housing yet...

You may be on to something here. I sure hope you are. It still wouldn't make sense, though; if you're already short on wards, why allow people to buy them up individually? In theory, a rich FC could have their own estate and each of their members could own another individually, from the sounds of it - and if this isn't "Personal Housing", it seems like a very counterproductive thing to implement.

Sadly, I believe this atrocity we're presented with is supposed to be what we've been promised for so long.

[GaiaGuardian]

I think the biggest kick in the gut comes from a section in old forum notes that directly contradicts what has happened, in two ways. A link to the post: (long link is long) http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post1685344

And the two parts that truly upset me:

Personal Housing
While I cannot give a specific date on when personal housing will be implemented, I can say that prices will be completely separate from free company housing, and, naturally, far more affordable.

So, in the end, we truly have been lied to about the implementation of personal housing. Sure, I could be angry about it not being implemented in the best way possible (read: it's awful) but the part that annoys me more is that a note written by Yoshida himself explicitly says that this would NOT be the case. Not sure about anyone else, but being fed lies and false promises doesn't make me want to stick around and play this game. I was really looking forward to having my own house too. :/