Goodbye cleric stance.. you will be sorely missed

[Zyphione]

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[Lycinder]

Snip.

Kind of going around in circles/ your ignoring the counterclaims to your points.
Problem with Scholars are they are great in pvp thanks to the rotation and adaptability granted by cleric stance, so losing that hits them really really hard, I understand you don't play scholar in pvp but trust me its a real game changer this update.
The sheer amount of time it take to run away from an encounter from a dps since they can just put heavy back on you when you mount back up (If you sprint they sprint, a good dps can sprint and time a tp recovery quite well from my experience in 1 v 1, tricky little things I know) I actually only ever engaged in 1 v 1 to scare off the guy bothering me, I rarely got a kill but just running away is slower than scaring them off with dps mixed with healing rotation (If it was a scholar bets were generally off.)

A lot of your "Problem fixed" does not help a scholar in any way.

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[Utsu]

I can count on one hand how many times I've been able to swap to Cleric Stance in FL.

Hahahahaha, and Yoshida is listening that kind of players, hahahahahahahaha, oh god, that patch is trash as hell, I'm done with Frontlines as Scholar.

[Copestetic]

Random words. Talks about Aldo and can't figure out what skill is a bind.

Aldo's better, of course. I still listed Stoneskin simply to list it for WHM's if I'm thinking about the correct post of mine. Your bind is Blizzard II.

We fight on the flag because otherwise a lot of stuff becomes useless to us, and it is actually HARDER to target someone in the fray if they are with their group, someone could just look on the sidelines and see a white mage standing out in the open asking to be hit.
One of the ways to effectively capture the flag is to run in with the group and aura blast, you need 4 people to capture so its just better to pile in.
Why am I arguing with someone with what should really be (and from what I have observed is) a common strategy in frontlines...

Also I said calm down because your responses were getting aggressive and you were putting people down, so yeah... Take a breather calm down.

And as I said before. You're putting yourself at risk of getting killed or CC'd because you're playing a backline class, as a frontline. Not only that, you're going to have to spend your resources keeping yourself alive, instead of another person who's doing more CC and damage than you can. It's ineffective to do this most of the time. By staying back as a healer, using the Magitek armor at Markets, or LoS'ing the broken walls at Manors, you're forcing those melee that would be stacked on the node to get off of it and kite after you. Doing this at Markets can lead to -1 DPS that comes after you, if you knock them off the edge. The same applies to ranged DPS at Manor. They have to move past the node to get to you, ensuring a quick cap for the rest of your team.

I believe the bind they're referring to is Blizz II? Lol okay, that works swell against ranged. Hey BRD, come here so I can lay down dat snare and don't interrupt me.

Why would you do that? It's a PBAoE Bind. It's used defensively on melee.

[Copestetic]

Hahahahaha, and Yoshida is listening that kind of players, hahahahahahahaha, oh god, that patch is trash as hell, I'm done with Frontlines as Scholar.

I know. Call me a bad healer because I choose to heal over DPS'ing. QQ, roll a DumbPS now, pl0x.

[Lycinder]

Aldo's better, of course. I still listed Stoneskin simply to list it for WHM's if I'm thinking about the correct post of mine. Your bind is Blizzard II.

You were specifically telling me my damage mitigation as scholar,also Blizz II is still incredibly situational.

And as I said before. You're putting yourself at risk of getting killed or CC'd because you're playing a backline class, as a frontline. Not only that, you're going to have to spend your resources keeping yourself alive, instead of another person who's doing more CC and damage than you can. It's ineffective to do this most of the time. By staying back as a healer, using the Magitek armor at Markets, or LoS'ing the broken walls at Manors, you're forcing those melee that would be stacked on the node to get off of it and kite after you. Doing this at Markets can lead to -1 DPS that comes after you, if you knock them off the edge. The same applies to ranged DPS at Manor. They have to move past the node to get to you, ensuring a quick cap for the rest of your team.

Right I'm just going to repeat myself, please note I am mainly talking about FLAGS
Stacking up with the dps and rest of the group on the flag is better because -
1.Succor
2.Eos works better overall bunched with everyon (I place Eos before I jump in anyway)
3.MIASMA FREAKING II omg I love doing that, heal debuff on anyone near me, always worth risking life to drop.
4.Its like finding a needle in haystack looking for a healer in a flag mosh pit, I catch healers hanging around outside all the time and just mark them piece of cake.
5.I have done this so often and I am still generally the last healer to go or even to get hurt with any reasonable damage my eos can't fix, the whm on the sideline is always the first to get nuked down and I am not really using any non aoe resources to keep myself alive.

I know. Call me a bad healer because I choose to heal over DPS'ing. QQ, roll a DumbPS now, pl0x.

A good healer can dps and clock out the same efficacy of healing, don't say we aren't doing our jobs because we are and we are multitasking.

[FaizeD]

Why would you do that? It's a PBAoE Bind. It's used defensively on melee.

I'm aware. So..

Bard roaming? Snare, Leech, and just sprint away.

What "snare" exactly are you referring to here? Because SCHs have none. Not that Blizz II is particular effective against melee either.

[Alyssa_Fairwyn]

As someone who has played WHM in Frontlines extensively, I'd like to offer my view on why I feel the removal of Cleric Stance was a bad design choice.

Without a doubt, this is not a 'game-breaking nerf' or anything of the sort. It does make 1v1 engagements more annoying and pointless, but that's not the key issue I have with this decision.

Over the many Frontlines battles over nodes I've seen, battles either tend to be overwhelmingly one-sided, or long-drawn stalemates that are broken by 1) arrival of a second team or 2) a caster limit-break. This is an issue with the burst nature of damage and healing in this game, but I won't go into that here.

I played a White Mage because while I was, indeed, focused on healing my teammates, Cleric Stance Holy gave me the potential to break those stalemates. Queuing with one or two friends who played Black Mages, I was capable of keeping them alive and coordinating cooldowns for a hopefully decisive burst.

Yes, if you want to do damage, you should play a DPS class. And yes, White Mages that do nothing but Cleric Stance Holy are terrible.

But what Cleric Stance offers, like in PvE, is the ability and opportunity to take calculated risks in an attempt to break out of stalemate. Do I switch over to Holy now and risk my party members being taken out? Are our enemies currently immune to Stun? Should I risk using Equanimity, or save it for later? Do I have enough mana for a short burst of Holying? These are questions I get to ask myself on top of anything healing related.

Ostensibly, this nerf was to reduce the effectiveness of healer-heavy teams. But the removal of Cleric Stance feels like a woefully lazy fix to the problem. There are other ways to capture a node that go beyond just damage. I once fought a close battle on a point which changed hands multiple times. Yet, beyond caster limit-break, no one on either team died for those 7-8 minutes. It was just 16 people cycling through push-out skills like Aura Blast and Mythril Tempest. So, this won't necessarily reduce the effectiveness of healer-heavy teams. You might just be stuck with Succor-spamming Scholar bots.

TL;DR: I don't play White Mage to be a damage dealer. I play White Mage to heal. But healing alone in long stalemates feels extremely unrewarding. Cleric Stance offers player choice, and while taking that away does not break the class, it does little to solve the problem, while making healing a lot less fun.

[Namasu]

@Copestetic
Please stop assuming that we all want to be tards and 1v1. Sometimes it's forced on you. Everyone left and the cap without a defender? yea someone's gonna have to stay and hold off those annoying ninja (if they are a dps, what are you gonna do? stand there and let them hit you forever?). Your team is in 2nd place and 100 points behind 1st place and you're the only person closest to 1st place's OP and they have 1 defender? You gonna have to fight your ass for that cap so your team can win. It's got nothing to do with 1v1 e-pen0r stroking. With this fix, all of that possibilities is gone. You are reduced to nothing more than a walking training dummy that can heal and cc.

Secondly, if they want to shoehorn WHM and SCH into healer ONLY then why don't they do the same thing to Warrior and Paladin? NOPE. They just put on str accessories, spec str, sword oath, defiance on/off and go to town with the DPS. Is that what TANKING is? I don't see a tank provoking those DPS off me while I'm getting chased. They are at best a less efficient DPS with good harassing skills in the current meta.

Lastly, if you condone this nerf. Look at it like this. They are removing a core ability from healer arsenal in frontline. No public testing whatsoever. No concrete reasoning to make us, the players, understand the devs either. It all smell like lazy to me. Trust me, I'm all fine with healer's HEALING getting nerfed in frontline because that was the major issue with class stacking and sch being solo master. If they want us to dps less, then make us heal more out of *necessity* not out of *I don't have anything else to do while my party's hp full with medica 2 + regen up*.

[Sonoran]

Best change ever, SCH is way overpowered...kite, Shield/HOT, DOT target, burn TP and run around obstacles until melee are dead. Happens all the time now, not skill just OP. Cant wait to play Frontlines tonight