Goodbye cleric stance.. you will be sorely missed

[Shake0615]

Why are you still complaining then? Video is always the best proof isn't it.

I don't think we're arguing about the same thing anymore. Clearly you're arguing about healer stacking while I'm arguing about damage output. The first video you posted shows a group of healers stalemating a group of Adders. I saw one player die (mostly because he was dumb enough to stand right in the middle of the Holy spams) and the rest ran away because they weren't doing any damage due to Medica II stacks. That's not "melting," it's turtling. The second video was the same from what I saw.

And just to reiterate: healer stacking is not an issue where I play, though it may be somewhere else. It's SE's call to change Cleric Stance but I still don't think it's the right move because I still don't have conclusive proof that healers can really compete with other DD classes. Gor's 100% right that that screenshot doesn't tell us enough.

[Gor]

and my thoughts on the nerf is that it was complete and utter bullshit. but then again the pvp in this game is bs, because SE is floundering and it shows. rather than dealing with something that is a more serious issue such as queue times and duty finder trolls, they rather avoid the real issues and play around with irrelevant, petty, bs like nerfing Cleric and try to call it "balancing". HELLO SE, balancing is taking something that is overpowered and bringing it down to an acceptable level ... NOT taking it out of the game completely because your "molasses" are too lazy to deal with it. in the greater scope of the game, Cleric is weak and is only useful on a 1v1 or 1v2 situation, it should never be any healer's priority because its crappy damage compared to other pure dd classes. and if your target is even getting the slightest heal from somewhere, you aren't killing it in Cleric because its so weak. as SCH since we have no defensives like a WHM, it was our only mechanism for defense. a decrease in damage would have been fine but to take it out the game completely? yea that was just f'n lazy. SE you also seem to forget there's this place called Wolves' Den that people who are still clinging on to dear life in this game still play. its like you have tunnel vision. you keep making changes based on Frontlines while not thinking about how UNbalanced it makes Wolves' Den.

Cleric Stance has never been an issue, in fact, I never really used it unless I found myself in a 1v1 situation such as running back to a flag after a death and some Flame tards trying to camp our res point so I had to switch to Cleric to kill them so I could get out. or assisting my team with dps ninja'ing a flag with 1 or 2 enemy players there, or just running across the map back to my team for whatever reason. so now when i find myself running back to my team, not only will i not have any lustrates if a pally or MNK is in the mix, but now i'm going to have to kite them for forever because i wont be able to defend myself and kill them either, and just MAYBE i might make it back to my team without dying again. well isn't that peachy.

but as i said, this game is dead to me. i havent been on in nearly a week now and just going to let my sub expire because the queue times are so horrible its not worth my time waiting hours for a q anymore. its insanity to wait so long, but hey AT LEAST THEY GOT THAT CLERIC STANCE SITUATION CLEARED UP!!

SE you should really get out of the business of catering to crybabies. its ruining your game.

[Amused]

but with only 33k heals, which is crap for a healer, it means he wasn't healing. hell even the BRD almost got as much healing as he did.

People don't need to get healed if the enemy team is already dead.

[Gor]

Check the two videos. You always claim it is learn to play issue. Does it looks like that other party can even do anything?

you're seeing things. i didn't say anything about players learning to play in my comment. and i don't care about the videos because you're one of the biggest whiners in this forum of all thus contributing to the demise of the fun-factor in this game. you wanted watered down pvp and you got it, so what the f else do you want? this game was built for people like you ... not me. if a game's pvp doesn't have a learning curve or something to spike my interest, then i'm not interested. you wanted elementary, boring, pvp, and you got it ... that is ... unless there is still something else in this game's pvp thats still too hard for you to deal with that you want nerfed as well.

[Amused]

you're seeing things. i didn't say anything about players learning to play in my comment. and i don't care about the videos because you're one of the biggest whiners in this forum of all thus contributing to the demise of the fun-factor in this game. you wanted watered down pvp and you got it, so what the f else do you want? this game was built for people like you ... not me. if a game's pvp doesn't have a learning curve or something to spike my interest, then i'm not interested. you wanted elementary, boring, pvp, and you got it ... that is ... unless there is still something else in this game's pvp thats still too hard for you to deal with that you want nerfed as well.

You are completely blowing the removal of cleric stance out of proportion. Healers are still going to be the most powerful classes in PvP.

[Copestetic]

you're seeing things. i didn't say anything about players learning to play in my comment. and i don't care about the videos because you're one of the biggest whiners in this forum of all thus contributing to the demise of the fun-factor in this game. you wanted watered down pvp and you got it, so what the f else do you want? this game was built for people like you ... not me. if a game's pvp doesn't have a learning curve or something to spike my interest, then i'm not interested. you wanted elementary, boring, pvp, and you got it ... that is ... unless there is still something else in this game's pvp thats still too hard for you to deal with that you want nerfed as well.

Wait. Learning curve in a Tab-target trinity MMO made by SE.

[Gor]

You are completely blowing the removal of cleric stance out of proportion. Healers are still going to be the most powerful classes in PvP.

i'm not talking about being powerful, i'm talking about being able to defend oneself to get out of a situation when being attacked. "powerful" has nothing to do with it. and powerful is relative. MNK vs SCH in theory, would not render the SCH class a powerful one against it.

tbh i really dont care about the nerf. i care more about the fact that SE caters to whiners way too much which makes any aspect of this game that could be interesting, just boring as hell.

[DustySlippers]

I'm having a hard time expressing myself in language that is forum appropriate. That being said....

Essentially whichever dev/devs are in charge of pvp balance have their heads stuck up their own arse. nearly every change to pvp since wolves den was launched was poorly thought through. I can only hope that one person is in charge of this balancing, it would sicken me to think that this is the best solution that more then one person could think of. Healers needed balancing, that is a no brainer. however the recent change to aetheflow being dispellable and the restriction of cleric stance is just too much in the wrong direction.

crap like this happens when people attempt to balance a 24v24v24 pvp system. Frontlines is garbage and always will be, regardless of individual class balance. with each pvp balancing act based on frontlines it destroys the little balance in wolves den, and ruins the future possibility of other pvp styles

[Amused]

i'm not talking about being powerful, i'm talking about being able to defend oneself to get out of a situation when being attacked. "powerful" has nothing to do with it.

You still have all of your damage spells.

[Gor]

You still have all of your damage spells.

that won't kill anything. if anything, since we have no defensive to kill, they should bring back heavy to Miasma to counter balance it