Goodbye cleric stance.. you will be sorely missed

[Zyphione]

If a healer is backed into a corner, be it WHM or SCH, and they keep getting interrupted and all their PvP skills/Fixes for debuffs are used up, do you HONESTLY think they will survive? No. Do not insult the intelligence and valid concerns of those who this affects most of all.

Only valid concern in thread is personal concern. See below example.
If just 1 person then it is [healer fault].
If 2 person then [2 person is better player than healer].
If 3 person then [is suppose to happen].
If 4 person then [too bad].
If 5 person then [why talk about it? you are not tank].
If LB then [not enough vit stat].

This example mentioned many time by many people? If read from page 1 on 3 thread made about this, then question would all be answered.

[Nekomataempusin]

Only valid concern in thread is personal concern. See below example.
If just 1 person then it is [healer fault].
If 2 person then [2 person is better player than healer].
If 3 person then [is suppose to happen].
If 4 person then [too bad].
If 5 person then [why talk about it? you are not tank].
If LB then [not enough vit stat].

This example mentioned many time by many people? If read from page 1 on 3 thread made about this, then question would all be answered.

Thank you for reminding me of you. I see you in a lot of the forums defending this decision. Are you a healer? If not, I advise you stop talking. You're a BRD, one of the many classes that's able to INTERRUPT our casts. Again, re-read my post, because once we use our PvP skill up, then that's it. Sorry but most of us do not like to be your punching bag. Why are all these people who don't play heals preaching about how easy it is?

[kisada]

you can't have SE listen to a constituency who thinks like this without ever-worsening results for pvp.

but that's why pvp is on its current downhill path without any change in sight.

[Adrian74]

But they don't care if we get interrupted all time... "Healers are overpowered!"... (I think that they'll still think it even without cleric stance.)

I already said that with a scholar, most of the damage you do when 1 vs 1 is basically the energy drain, ruin II, bios and aero... You can't rarely cast miasma and bios II except if you use a swifcast or some tricky stuff. (Blizzard II, run away, cast bios II)

[Mutemutt]

So, like anyone that's interested in the balance of pvp, I spent most of the opening days of the patch trying out healing with the cleric stance nerf, and I have to say, it's not really a big deal. And yes, I played healers before nerf as well (mostly as sch too, which I figured would be much more affected by this change). The only down side is healer vs healer, 1v1 is even more of a tickle fight. To be honest, I think this change has only made bringing dps more important (though I imagine that an all healer group could still camp a flag pretty well using sch knockbacks and lots of HoTs...), since healer dps is so pitiful.

As for the whole, "it lowers the skill cap"/ "makes healing boring" thing... was cleric stance even that difficult to use? I never had that much trouble; I guess I was doing something wrong. It felt like it only really gets used when there's very little incoming damage to worry about, which essentially means the enemy had already lost. Can a dps take you from 100% to 0% in 5 seconds (without an lb, of course)? That's an honest question; I haven't had that ever happen to me, nor have I ever done it to another healer. It's for that reason that that healing reduction feels like it's not even there. Anytime I'd need to heal, I'd never be in that stance or I'd just use a heal that ignores that penalty. So, in the end, it doesn't feel like cleric stance added that much to the experience. I think being chased around yet still living, firing off heals, and being utterly annoying is the main draws of healing in pvp

[Zyphione]

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I would say you enjoy healer for the experience it rewards? Nice to see 1 person be honest and still enjoy playing healer class!

Over time I have grown thick skin to many who say "change is end of the world" theory or that SqE ruin class because remove stance and they do not want to play PVP any more. Player seem to be able to turn anything into argument even if it make no sense, discussion on stance have been overdone and every reason we see before just being recycle now by future poster so most people tired of repeating self and do not reply as much?

To reply to question you have:
DPS can not kill healer in 5 second even if MRD, real time, because skill CD is 2.5s?
Maybe he use 2 skill but most healer have 5000HP and Regen or SCH shield so not possible to kill before stance switch. DRG use LB1 before and I survive with 4100HP with critical SCH shield buff but without stoneskin.

[Hailie]

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You are not suppose to make any statements! you are not suppose to disagree with what SE did to Cleric stance! you are not suppose to post your opinion!

most of all you are not suppose to disagree with this person!

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you are suppose to let him FORCE FEED what he wants you to believe! and what he says..

How dare you have your own opinion and thoughts about CLERIC STANCE *super sarcasm*

It's a waste of time responding to him.

[Divinemight]

Grudge?

I also simply list all PvE only actions and present a fact that Paladins didnt complain about being guttered. Oh that is right, it is not the job i am playing any way, who cares. (Sacarstic)

You know, if you are really care and find it is unresaonble for Cleric Stance is disabled. You can always voice yourself in open letter. Go ahead and ask him the question. He seems willing to answer all the questions playerbase throwing at him. Raise your concern and it is more productive, you know?

I would rather to see this question being ask instead of that Open PvP one when you should knew majority of FF14 playerbase is heavily PvE.

[Hailie]

Awfully presumptuous of you to assume things about him.

He totally made an assumption because he said this..

That post utterly didn't escape 5 points I have listed, all he did is just make it super long. It's contents lack of insighs, you can find similar posts on WoW Fourm everyday. You like it because you are his target audience and his words are what you are looking for. Your judgement is clouded.

Let me clear up your assumption He has played just about every class in FL and WD he clearly has some insight.
Then you turn right around and say this...

First of all, you are the one being presumpteous of assume he doesn't.

Like I have said before.. you contradict yourself in a lot of your posting, you refuse to accept other peoples opinion if they don't agree with yours

[Divinemight]

Let me clear up your assumption He has played just about every class in FL and WD he clearly has some insight.
Then you turn right around and say this...

/sigh

I was wondering why you are going all over on me. Oh, right, my comment about Kisada's post. I dont know him so all I can see is based of what he said in his post. This is his first point:

1. If you keep interfering with players and their roles, eventually they will lose trust in you and stop playing those roles.

Where is his proof of actual decline of healers on the Frontline? Is it by the number of people saying that they are quitting healer on this fourm?

Also, who is not vulnerable to class adjustment? What is the reason Blizzard keep throwing hotfixes at World of Warcraft?

SE relies upon misguided complaints from players to make very harsh changes to the PVP environment.

Where is the insight in this? Where is his evidence? Didnt he ingored the fact that lead producer is also playing the Frontline and Yoship has access to the data and he doesnt?

His last point is pretty much ranting about the Frontline strcuture and Wolf Den queue time. Everyone knows that Malestorm got turtled because of high winning ratio in first month. What can i learn from his post?

I said I didn't agree that they did away with CS in pvp completely... meaning It would have been nice if they had come up with another alternative besides removing it.

Do I looks like I am not shocked? What was my original idea? To increase the penalty of healing reduction only. Again, there is open letter, take the opportunity and raise your question there is more progressive. I am interesting in their reason of make it a PvE only action as well.