Goodbye cleric stance.. you will be sorely missed

[Fyce]

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Cleric stance was design with a PvE context in mind, not a PvP one.
Just like a tank job completly changes from PvE to PvP, you should expect your own job to change as well.

Only terrible players fail to see that PvE balance cannot be strictly applied to PvP.

Cleric stance was not fitting in a PvP environment because it was breaking "roles definition" and "class balance". It doesn't matter if you need "skill" to be able to use it (even if, in fact, you don't... so, you should stop using that false argument) or if it's something that you use everyday outside PvP.

[Hailie]

Cleric stance was design with a PvE context in mind, not a PvP one.
Just like a tank job completly changes from PvE to PvP, you should expect your own job to change as well.

Only terrible players fail to see that PvE balance cannot be strictly applied to PvP.

Cleric stance was not fitting in a PvP environment because it was breaking "roles definition" and "class balance". It doesn't matter if you need "skill" to be able to use it (even if, in fact, you don't... so, you should stop using that false argument) or if it's something that you use everyday outside PvP.

Let me ask you this.. IF they decide to make an open world pvp where will that leave healers being able to defend ?

[Houston009]

This thread is very helpful.

I know who NOT to play with now. xD

[Klive]

When the thread is breaking down to...
You are not a true PvPer
Or You don't play healer full time like I do
Or You are not skilled enough to understand
ect ect ect
Thus your views are invalid.

It time for the thread to end.

[KingAhmoseTheFirst]

When the thread is breaking down to...
You are not a true PvPer
Or You don't play healer full time like I do
Or You are not skilled enough to understand
ect ect ect
Thus your views are invalid.

It time for the thread to end.

Agreed....

[Divinemight]

I didnt know that healing specs have any issue on WoW PvP server myself. I have been a Holy Paladin in TBC for 2 patches on Arthas server and Ruin is a pretty PvP competitive battlegroup, but that is just me probabbly. Anyone cares to share their experience? Oh right, Holy Paladin only got 1s flash light, 3s Holy Light, a lol hammer, a bubble every 5 mins, and cant not cast while moving. How did I survived against the wraith of Twin Blades Rogues and Walrocks in TBC?

By the way, didnt they said that Cleric Stance does not work only in PvP zone? Dear defeders, please stop making assumption that you are the only one with healer PvP experience. For God's sake, I started as WHM when FF11 is my first mmorpg.

[Rydia13]

I can't believe this pointless thread is still going strong lol.

They took away my Resurrection, nerfed my Miasmas, and then made it so that my Aetherflow could be dispelled. Yes, SMN was overpowered and as much as I hated the nerf I wasn't an unreasonable moron and understood that it had to be done in the name of balance.

My 2nd main is WHM. Ever since the begining of PvP I knew how powerful healers were. Crazy OP. Those of you crying over this need to learn how to play your job better of you think you're defenseless as a healer. Healers are the hardest jobs to kill....

Lastly, you need to get it through your pea sized brains that they didn't "take away your ability to defend yourself", there's Sprint, PvP abilities, heals, learn to use em. They also didn't take away your damage capabilities, they just made it so that you can't switch between healer and DPS roles on the fly. You can still do damage, it'll just be as gimp as DPS/Tank heals.

If you honestly don't see why that awesome PvE ability is too much for PvP, much like SMNs Raise and AoE heavy, then you're too deep in your delusion for anyone to ever knock some sense into you. How would you feel if instead of removing Cleric Stance, they added an opposite for each DPS and Tank role that lets heals do 1.5k+ like healers. That'd be pretty broken eh?

[Gor]

Lastly, you need to get it through your pea sized brains that they didn't "take away your ability to defend yourself", there's Sprint

that easily gets weapon thrown, binded and/or lethargied off before you can even take 3 steps

PvP abilities

that of which because the duration has been reduced, can get nullified as if they never existed with chain stuns, sleeps and silences.

i see your point, however Sprint and PvP skills are not a 100% end all answer because 90% of the time if you're being focused, they all just get wasted, and equanimity just becomes equivalent to a Surecast

[Hailie]

It's not really big deal to me with the change, I rarely ever use Cleric in pvp because I don't like taking the risk of not switching back in time because it has a 5 sec CD..

I still don't agree with it being removed because its handy if you run into a 1v1 situation but that's my opinion.

As far as there's

Sprint, PvP abilities, heals, learn to use em.

<~~~ Holmgang Topped off with a nice Fullswing can end you! unless you purify it quickly and try to get away

Sersly a good MRD can clean your clock, They also get to use alot of cross abilities! they should be NERFED too!!! THEY hit like TRUCKS *waits for it* ^_^

[Rydia13]

MRD are only decent when they have full buffs up. Otherwise they're just meh. They're good because they're basically a DPS that sacrifices a little damage output for a little survivability but I wouldn't call it an overly powerful job.