Dungeons and ANGRY PEOPLE !

[Snugglebutt]

Not at all. when I say I think someone is lying is is related to how ridiculous their claim is. The more ridiculous the more likely it is a lie. There is no way anyone who leveled to 50 multiple times on DoW/DoM classes has never come across a single rude or angry veteran player and only come across rude or angry new players aka on their first class, first character unless they have never ran dungeons with any non-new players on all those multiple 1-50 classes or the only ones they ran dungeons with is their friends.

[Alukah]

I'm still wondering if your checked the search info of those new players you found or just assumed based on their level. I'm not saying that it's impossible, but it's rather odd that someone completely new to the game would believe they know everything about their class without ever reaching 50 on any class

[Viridiana]

No your logic is broken. You don't understand logic.

I was referring specifically to the attempt to equate Elim with a man defending misogyny.

I'll be the first to admit that my memory is faulty. But you also don't see me weighing in either way as to which group has a higher number or percentage of a-holes.

[Snugglebutt]

I'm still wondering if your checked the search info of those new players you found or just assumed based on their level. I'm not saying that it's impossible, but it's rather odd that someone completely new to the game would believe they know everything about their class without ever reaching 50 on any class

I think they are just making things up at this stage but it is possible they never checked or don't understand that a new player is someone on their first class, first character and not someone who just happens to be leveling a new class type on a preexisting high level alternative classed character.

[Snugglebutt]

I was referring specifically to the attempt to equate Elim with a man defending misogyny.

I'll be the first to admit that my memory is faulty. But you also don't see me weighing in either way as to which group has a higher number or percentage of a-holes.

The example is sound in the context of what I was referring to which is the type of behavior I gave an example of earlier.

[Elim]

Not at all. when I say I think someone is lying is is related to how ridiculous their claim is. The more ridiculous the more likely it is a lie. There is no way anyone who leveled to 50 multiple times on DoW/DoM classes has never come across a single rude or angry veteran player and only come across rude or angry new players aka players on their first class on their first character unless they have never ran dungeons with any non-new players on all those multiple 1-50 classes or the only ones they ran dungeons with is their friends.

Just so ya know, to try to show you how wrong your assumption that everyones experience has to be the same as yours is flawed, a fair amount of people got all level 50's without touching a dungeon outside their story quest. Dungeons weren't cool when the game came out since FATE grinding gave a lot more experience. I wouldn't be surprised if most of the long time vets experiences are a lot different than yours.

[NyarukoW]

... But you also don't see me weighing in either way as to which group has a higher number or percentage of a-holes.

So probably wouldn't weigh on Ray Rice case either, because Janay hit Ray too. You people get tricked by the false equivalences so easily, that you don't know the flaw in that logic.

It is a irrefutable fact that speed-runner are unhappy with the new players. They've made enough posts on this forums to make that abundantly clear. And there are plenty posts of newer players complaining about being vote kick abuse by those speed runners for reasons ranging from watching cutscenes to being undergeared a bit. The problem is the speed runners not spending time to communicate and coordinate, because by definition it is not a speed run anymore if you have to do that.

Now the controversy has moved to the hunt, because those same speed runners are trolling hunts, because they don't want to communicate, coordinate, and they just want to early fast pull the marks. New content same problem from the same trolls.

Remember the week Syrcus tower was released, every ST run, somebody was raging at someone else about how even kindergarteners !@#%% knew that fire and ice made water. if you get to that point, by definition everyone is if you get to that point, unless you count the 1st-timers to those as newbies. It is way more common to see impatient experienced players cussing out the player that are just relatively newer than them.

[Snugglebutt]

Just so ya know, to try to show you how wrong your assumption that everyones experience has to be the same as yours is flawed, a fair amount of people got all level 50's without touching a dungeon outside their story quest. Dungeons weren't cool when the game came out since FATE grinding gave a lot more experience. I wouldn't be surprised if most of the long time vets experiences are a lot different than yours.

It does not make much difference, though I gave the example of leveling 1-50...that was my example but your claim is you have never met a angry or rude veteran player in dungeons, only rude or angry new players. The fact by saying only ever is the newbies in dungeons you have run it exceeds just the leveling 1-50 range into the post-storyline, post-level 50 gear, seals, materials, tomes and vanity item grinds/dungeon runs. Your claim extends into that realm too which makes it even more likely a lie.

[ExKage]

I leveled my first 50 back in Nov-Dec.I received none of the vitriol people are saying -must- have happened. I did Brayflox HM runs all the time in DF. In all the time there, I had only 1 tank be an ass and we shut the man up fast. Yes, healers have been slow even in first proclaimed, "speed run ok" runs. Healer slowed to open a door etc. I even had a healer go "shit. I think I just heard gunshots" All of us were just cool about it.

Yes a lot of people can be dicks, but seriously don't over generalize and say that every person who levels in low levels, first 50 or last to 50, is going to experience a shitty time when they say they're new. I never had an issue in the low level dungeons. Even when I sucked at Ifrit HM and got hit by charges and plumes for my first relic (which took 3 weeks to obtain, no trials roulette etc). I never once had a person in my own party who is new or when I was new either slow the dungeon run down or cause a wipe or even say they're new cause the group to vote abandon.

What has caused vote abandon? Three-four wipes to the same boss for the same reasons even though multiple times it's stated how to clear things efficiently. Or CT wipes.

Edit: When I got to 50, my computer had a stick of faulty ram that I didn't know about until I finished the main story. That meant I had a lot of crashes of the game. I never got booted or had people leave.
They certainly could have left when it happened 1-4 times a run.

[Elim]

It does not make much difference, though I gave the example of leveling 1-50...your claim is you have never met a angry or rude veteran player in dungeons, only rude or angry new players. The fact by saying only ever is the newbies in dungeons you have run it exceeds just the leveling 1-50 range into the post storyline, post-level 50 gear, seals, materials, tomes and vanity item grinds/dungeon runs. Your claim extends into that realm too which makes it even more likely a lie.

I said in low level dungeons. You seem to keep forgetting that this is what the conversation is about.

Show me where I said that I only experience rude newbies in lv 50 dungeons as well. Because I didn't. Anywhere. I may have vaguely said "dungeons" without adding "low level" to it, following my original post, but I thought you had the ability to follow my line of thought in that regards.

You can't enter a level 50 dungeon until you GET TO level 50. So levelling from 1-50 doesn't imply level 50 dungeons too, just FYI, in case that confused you somehow.