Bahamut V

[MeiUshu]

I am starting the Bahmut V instance and I have a question regarding the what I call the *pit phase* from healer point of view ( am at my around 30+ run and still have to pass snake phase)

Is that really mandatory to all stay in the pit ? I mean, if I understand correctly the mechanism, the only one targeted by Twitania is the one having the green circle over his head and at the last location of said green circle affected one, correct?

So, when that phase starts, if healers stay out of the pit on both sides, it shouldnt be a problem to avoid the attack of Twitania and keep the group alive while tanks tank the snakes in the pit and this even if the affected one is one of the healers, it would be just a question of moving a bit further away from the location where said healer is, in this case it doesnt even affect those in the pit. You can see where Twit is coming from, at least I can, when I dont forget to look.

What is the justification to all be packed into a tiny hole where dam everybody can get killed by that silly fire wall on top of Twit rage attack (so to speak) when it is as safe to stay outside maybe even safer ? I mean people scream at those that are thrown on the other side of the platform when they get hit by Twitania and to not come to the pit and stay out of it and generally their survivavility is well higher then those in the pit, as I could see.

Thanks for the input and experience.

Mei

[Lebannen]

In order to insure that no noe gest hit you stack in the pit. Divebombs can target anyone so in order to make them predictable everyone stack sand everyone moves. This mechanich is vert simple and should not be a problem to dodge. If you have people out of the group the plages divebomb can hit increases making it harder to dodge them.

[MeiUshu]

this is the point which drives me nuts, I had time to observe yesterday and day before, here is the case I got hit while I was runing out of the pit and catapulted the other side of the platform (1st time out of the 3 times that this happens), the other 2, I got targeted by the green circle, while NOT in the pit and not returning into the pit, so for me avoiding it wasnt a problem, twit charged me directly in a straight line, me the bearer of green circle, so as far as this is concerned is pretty obvious that Twit runs to green circle, nobody else was concerned during these two phases, and it left me wonder and still does, what you say is that anyone can be targeted by divebombs, whereas I say that only the green circle bearer is hit by twit rushing to him , and that staying packed together obviously divebombs will land on the whole group since all were with the green circle bearer but the only one being concerned i,s in fact, the one that has the green circle over his head.

I alos went looking for some videos, and I fell on one made by soemone and in that video nobody packs into a hole, they just avoid the charge of Twit ......so I am kind of wondering all I need to do is test it I suppose, and get thrown from the group for not conforming doesnt matter, but I pretty sure am positive that twit charges the green circle bearer only and charges in straight line, if you spot her and you can spot her, you can move without a problem out of her way and everybody on that straight line will just have to take a few steps one direction or the other to avoid it and that is it, a bit like in what you would do in Levi EX.

I am not sure I manage to express myself properly really, thanks for the info though I will test it and come back.

Mei with perma enter ticket to hell

[Lebannen]

The grenen circle is the marker for the person who will Get dived no yes. But anyone can Get this green circle. If you stand in the pit you only have to move like 3-5 meters. Making it the easiest way to dodge imo.

[MeiUshu]

alright then, so why are everybody then moving out of the pit when the bearer of the circle is NOT in the pit ???? isnt that silly ??? and I see that ALL the time.

second question, so if I stay outside of the pit, it cant be considered wrong and making people taking a risk or is it ? I really frankly dont see the purpose of staying all packed in to the hole and all move as one when snakes are all there and you get hit by snakes and take the risk at the same time to being hit by twit and killed by both combined when ranged could well stay off both pit and group???

Alright ...I will test it again and again until i get the right way and maybe move to second phase, although I haev yet to do it, people fail well before that

Mei

[EpicCid]

I get what you're saying. I believe the idea behind going into the pit and running to the top of the hill is to get above twin's attack. This way you don't have to run as far and can avoid the attack completely. You might be able to do the opposite by starting at the top and running into the pit as well, though I have not read anything on that. Whether it is the easiest strategy or just the generally accepted one, hard to say. It has been this way for so long I doubt anyone has tried anything else, aside from yourself.

[Lollie]

Divebombs hit everyone if they are in the damage path, not just the person with the green target.
If a divebomb targets someone in one of the 2 pits it creats the smallest damage paths (only a out the size of 3 character models.)
Anyone in the party can get the green target which determines the damage path
Basically minimizing the potential for getting hit at all.

You do not stand outside near the pit with the target because that will make twintania cut throught the center of the field and the put the damage path throught the pit
When you see someone running outside the pit in videos it is usually tanks and/or blms. They do this because they 1) have abilites that allow them to ignor push back, 2) are positioning to pick up the other 2 snakes and hit everything in the center of the field with the lb.

[Makuro]

To address some concerns you may have healing during divebomb phase takes practice. That being said the common accepted strategy is stacking in the hole as a group, one person will get the dive marker and everyone moves out to avoid the dive and this process repeats two more times. The real issue here is the snakes do single target damage if you're being hit by a snake it means your tank doesn't have enough aggro. The main tank and the optional off tank should have a handle on all the snakes, it is their job. Really as a healer there isn't much group damage too so your focus priority is 1) dodging dive bomb 2) healing tank. I will say that if by chance you get hit out of the hole and survive you have to make 2 quick actions. First top yourself off or if you're a scholar put adlo on yourself, secondly position your character so you don't get knocked into the fire wall if you are targeted again. NEVER run back into the hole because if you get a dive marker as you go back in, you will wipe the raid. After the 3rd dive marker goes away you can move back into the hole if you got knocked out earlier and lived. Although deaths are unfortunate and cause stress to a healer losing 1 person is still better than losing half the raid. Also if someone else gets hit out of the circle and lives DO NOT run out of the hole to heal them. If their in range sure toss a heal, if not then they can either take the death or pop one of their cd skills if they have any.

[ruskie]

The reason for the stack in pit is two fold...
One is it's a single point to dodge from, the other is to glitch the divebomb to go out of the arena.

If you zoom out your camera you should be able to see twin appear above your group and you will see what direction it's facing. You will see it's out if properly stacked.

If whoever you are not all stacked properly and if twin targets one of the people not stacked a few things can happen:

a) twin will start higher on the hill but still outward - this can hit people that are slightly lagged
b) twin will direct her line aoe inward towards the center of the arena with the person targeted being in that line - if people are aware of this they can still dodge left/right of the line aoe but as she can come from any of the mulitple sides it can be interesting to notice it

As for healing - the only people taking damage in here should be the tanks. There are no aoes or cleaves from the snakes so you can be packed tight. So just need to focus on the tanks. A SCH has just enough time to run out, run back in and cast succor on the party and a whm can drop a cure 1/2 on the tank. Also SCH can work their lustrates in here if need be. Eye for an eye can help you here as well... just make sure that both healers have it and that one knows to go first than the other(usually when the tanks go to collect the other two snakes).

This part of the fight to me is the most difficult part. The rest is relatively easy.

[Marukoban]

If you got hit while running out of the pit, either you lag or someone does not stack properly.
Your party needs to stack on top of each other. Anyone standing slightly outside might cause DB to hit the party.