The more things stay the same...

[Chihaya]

Stuff

1) Suggestions and not just QQ. Yes, some of the EX primals are not worth doing anymore. But what type of "reward" are you suggesting?
2) Pretty sure they working on it.
3) Locksouts on previous patch content? Huh? Only lock outs right now is SCoB and ST and both pretty new. CT and T1-5 are unlocked?
4) NA data center problem

[TheCurls]

I don't get why people keep insisting that the Duty Finder is for win groups. The game herds all new players to the Duty Finder, not the Party Finder.

The Party Finder is the one for win groups.

[Niqote]

1. Bring back the story, HM, and EX model for primal fights and reward people for completing HM and EX versions.
We do receive Rewards, and the Daily random duty roulette not only gives us those rewards - But helps out people who are going to those instances for the first time.

2. Fix Chocobos so we can use them in groups.
The only 'fix' will be to severely nerf the Chocobos, there is a balance to maintain and it breaks it if you have a 16 member Party.
I can understand wanting to use your Chocobo in more areas, but what you are asking is a little silly. Maybe you didn't hear about the future plans for being able to use Chocobos in dungeon etc?


3. Drop Lockouts based on previous patch content.
Are you talking about BCoB? It's rather important to finish turn 5 so the cut scenes in the SCoB make sense... Doing it in order is a good thing ^^

4. Stop basing content around the idea people will form statics (Ramuh EX, Coil). Statics formed because people wanted to make better use of their time

Maybe you use a static as a tool... but not everyone does. A lot of people prefer to make friends and play with people they know both by personality and by ability.

The idea doesn't seem to be making a new static for every patch like you seem to think is 'normal' - but is based on the ideal that you will be playing the entire story line with the same people and have those instances of 'hey this fight is kind of like that one time we did this - let's try use the same tactics and see if we get further'

You are talking about end game content and it really is not for everyone right away.
Later it will receive the Echo, then the people who don't like to figure out tough fights and work hard at it will have loads of resources and a huge advantage and will be able to clear what used to be the hardest content in the game and receive multiple allowances of loot a day. Even then... they have the option to turn the Echo off if they so desire.
But till then, you need to respect other peoples wishes too.

PF is a fantastic tool for making the party you want ie. 'Practice party, Experienced party, ATMA party, Party at my house lets make friends (lol)'
DF is a gamble naturally but is great for those with less time/do other things while you wait for your DF to pop.

[Colt47]

1. Bring back the story, HM, and EX model for primal fights and reward people for completing HM and EX versions.
We do receive Rewards, and the Daily random duty roulette not only gives us those rewards - But helps out people who are going to those instances for the first time.

2. Fix Chocobos so we can use them in groups.
The only 'fix' will be to severely nerf the Chocobos, there is a balance to maintain and it breaks it if you have a 16 member Party.
I can understand wanting to use your Chocobo in more areas, but what you are asking is a little silly. Maybe you didn't hear about the future plans for being able to use Chocobos in dungeon etc?


3. Drop Lockouts based on previous patch content.
Are you talking about BCoB? It's rather important to finish turn 5 so the cut scenes in the SCoB make sense... Doing it in order is a good thing ^^

4. Stop basing content around the idea people will form statics (Ramuh EX, Coil). Statics formed because people wanted to make better use of their time

Maybe you use a static as a tool... but not everyone does. A lot of people prefer to make friends and play with people they know both by personality and by ability.

The idea doesn't seem to be making a new static for every patch like you seem to think is 'normal' - but is based on the ideal that you will be playing the entire story line with the same people and have those instances of 'hey this fight is kind of like that one time we did this - let's try use the same tactics and see if we get further'

You are talking about end game content and it really is not for everyone right away.
Later it will receive the Echo, then the people who don't like to figure out tough fights and work hard at it will have loads of resources and a huge advantage and will be able to clear what used to be the hardest content in the game and receive multiple allowances of loot a day. Even then... they have the option to turn the Echo off if they so desire.
But till then, you need to respect other peoples wishes too.

PF is a fantastic tool for making the party you want ie. 'Practice party, Experienced party, ATMA party, Party at my house lets make friends (lol)'
DF is a gamble naturally but is great for those with less time/do other things while you wait for your DF to pop.

Uh, Niqote? Quoting someone and only quoting a small part of the comment that does not reflect the whole idea doesn't really lend itself to much except generating more thread confusion for people stepping into this.

My last comment was not meant to infer pure utilitarianism and what you stated still doesn't counter the main point of the original statement: that we aren't grouping together and playing in statics because we want the developers to participate in some kind of boss fight arms race.

[Niqote]

Uh, Niqote? Quoting someone and only quoting a small part of the comment that does not reflect the whole idea doesn't really lend itself to much except generating more thread confusion for people stepping into this.

My last comment was not meant to infer pure utilitarianism and what you stated still doesn't counter the main point of the original statement: that we aren't grouping together and playing in statics because we want the developers to participate in some kind of boss fight arms race.

Oh, please don't misunderstand. I shorten it to make the post tidy, not to cut out anything you said. Since its OP its easily accessible, that's all.

And I suppose I don't understand this statement at all ''that we aren't grouping together and playing in statics because we want the developers to participate in some kind of boss fight arms race.'' ... its hard to respond to that as it's rather jumbled, perhaps rephrase? ^^;;;

[Fendred]

Oh, please don't misunderstand. I shorten it to make the post tidy, not to cut out anything you said. Since its OP its easily accessible, that's all.

And I suppose I don't understand this statement at all ''that we aren't grouping together and playing in statics because we want the developers to participate in some kind of boss fight arms race.'' ... its hard to respond to that as it's rather jumbled, perhaps rephrase? ^^;;;

I can't honestly say what he meant, as it seems like he slipped up when editing his post or something. I think the gist of it is that the raid progression is a crazy-making process. Eventually people break down either from the difficulty of content or they break down from repetitively grinding it, thus leaving the game long before the next patch hits. It's one of the reasons I rarely play P2P MMOs myself. Strict roles and linear scripted boss strategies don't have the holding power they once did ten years ago. Too much competition and too many games covering the same ground.

[Lithera]

SNIP.

You pretty much nailed it all, and someone earlier explained the Primals very well. You would wind up with three fights of the same Primal all within less than 10 ilevels of one another if you tried to shoehorn in a "Story Mode" Tier like the OP asks for. All Im hearing from you OP is that you want to skip content you don't like by quitting and rejoining for the next content patch and you want everything nerfed so that random DF parties can one shot everything... Go play Maple Story or something dude.

[Wobble]

Some nice ideas. If only the devs would listen from this point forward. I am really getting bored in the game to be honest. Grear is outdated before you have it, dungeons mostly are the same old thing with new skins and some fights leave litte room for error. I have 89 days left on my sub and not sure I will resub to be honest. All I do anymore is garden and gather....

[SarcasmMisser]

I think your logic is backwards. You are saying that "the designers designed it this way so it shouldn't change... even though people aren't using it this way..." You do realize the point is to design things that meet the needs of the audience, right? If people are using something in a way that is unexpected, the designer doesn't shoehorn those people to use it as expected they change it so that it fits the use case.

This is the saddest post, this is why video games are the state they are in. You seriously believe they are not independent projects made from the artistic talent and vision of the developer, but a product that meets an audience needs. It is pathetic, customer feedback is to be listened to but acted only on the sole discretion of the developer because they are video games not your internet provider's call center.

You have reduced games to a consumer product and the thing that makes this sad is that the whole problem is that video game development is exactly like that, and it kills creativity. You should not wonder why every Christmas we get the shelves lined with nothing but sequels of all the most tired franchises because you are the reason. The logical end game with this thinking is that they don't make MMOs anymore, because the best money is in other online games anyway.

[ToffeeCoffee]

Duty Finder can be what you want it to be. If it doesn't work out, who cares just re-queue again, no big deal.
The leet "Clear Only, prove to me your achievements" crowd can stick to Party Finder.
People who use Duty Finder to learn usually get the hang of things fairly quickly and become clear capable. They aren't idiots who will never clear.
There is no good reason to keep 2nd Coil locked. It's been long enough for the server first, look at me in my full HA set people to stand around holding out their T9 weapons^. I quit my static due to time constraints and am waiting for it to be added to solo queue Duty Finder so I can do it on my own time. I accept that there will be a lot of people new to 2nd Coil and look forward to helping them out. I'd rather play with them than those who are over reliant on their parsing software and long term statics.

This culture of having to wait several patches to even set foot into Coil and Primal battles for quite a large amount of players is one of the biggest problems this game has right now. It's not because they are "casuals", it's because the system by design makes the content difficult to access for a variety of reasons. The content then ends up being nerfed (Echo buffed and mechanics eased) which also encourages people to wait and not bother attempting said content anywhere close to when it's released.