Macro Programs? Illegal?

[Hazmatyre]

lol at people defending the effort they put in pressing the crafting button, honestly. SE has done so many great mini-games in FF titles that I hope they add something like that to crafting aswell. Crafting by playing a quick match of something like Bejeweled would be fun while waiting for pt members or something.

I totally agree with that. SE should take the feedback into consideration, they could add a different minigame or put in a system similar to the implementation of auto-attack. Crafting could possibly automatically use standard synth unless rapid/bold or other skills are used otherwise.

When a person looks at the crafting system, they think it's cool how you can craft so many different things - but why do you have to mash standard synth everytime then go through a convoluted UI to repeat the process? How can one sit through so many synths in one sitting?

That's the main reason people bot: because it's fucking boring. But they acknowledge the rewards of it.
People who don't bot get mad over this because they've put a lot of time into it compared to the botters but in the end both get the same reward.

Other than the threat of RMT (and legal issues), why is botting through crafting labelled a terrible sin in this game?

[JayvirDeforte]

Boring or not, its still not a legit way to play the game. It's the principle. If it's so damn boring, DON'T DO IT!

[Leeloo]

Boring or not, its still not a legit way to play the game. It's the principle. If it's so damn boring, DON'T DO IT!

Yea that's an interesting one. "Parts of game A are really boring to me. I could be playing stuff that's a lot more fun, but I really want a better character in game A. Let's see how I can do that without really having to play it."

[Zkieve]

Welcome to FFXIV community.The only place were you can get called off for asking a simple question.
The answer is yes, the reason is "intended for both pc and play station".Also beware people here care more what you do than what they are doing themselves.

[OMEGA_HACK]

To the OP, I also have a G15, while its impossible to tell if you are using the bindable macro keys G1-6 in the game, Technically speaking it is illegal to use (although I used them all the time back in XIs days since I hated that lag between holding Alt key and pushing a number key to issue a macro command; sometimes in the bigger fights in that game it was a pain in the ass)

To all the people laughing and ridiculing the OP, you guys do realize that the G15 KEYBOARD is not a botting program? Botting means you go afk and do whatever you want to do, watch TV, eat a pizza, pick your nose, masturbate, etc. He would still have to push the keys to execute anything in the game, so its technically NOT botting, its short-cutting, which is what the keyboard is all about and a shame that XIV doesn't utilize it or its on board screen (on the keyboard) naturally in the game as it would be pretty awesome.

Also to make claims that XIV's crafting system has ANY challenge to it, is what really is laughable.

[Fixy]

To the OP, I also have a G15, while its impossible to tell if you are using the bindable macro keys G1-6 in the game, Technically speaking it is illegal to use (although I used them all the time back in XIs days since I hated that lag between holding Alt key and pushing a number key to issue a macro command; sometimes in the bigger fights in that game it was a pain in the ass)

To all the people laughing and ridiculing the OP, you guys do realize that the G15 KEYBOARD is not a botting program? Botting means you go afk and do whatever you want to do, watch TV, eat a pizza, pick your nose, masturbate, etc. He would still have to push the keys to execute anything in the game, so its technically NOT botting, its short-cutting, which is what the keyboard is all about and a shame that XIV doesn't utilize it or its on board screen (on the keyboard) naturally in the game as it would be pretty awesome.

Also to make claims that XIV's crafting system has ANY challenge to it, is what really is laughable.

no they dont, theyre all too stupid to know what a G15 is or do a simple google search, so they just bash you with "ROFL WOW BOTTER GTFO."
Quite a nice intelligent community i've found here.

[Platinumstorm]

no they dont, theyre all too stupid to know what a G15 is or do a simple google search, so they just bash you with "ROFL WOW BOTTER GTFO."
Quite a nice intelligent community i've found here.

Yeah, you took a lot of unnecessary flak from individuals in this thread. I was going to chew one of them out but deleted my post since it wasn't worth my time.

Personally, to me, I don't know what the difference would be to what you do vs the commonly stated "Netflix" argument. Frankly, I don't know how the "Netflix" argument is any significant difference than those who choose to use bots. Smashing enter while someone isn't paying attention doesn't make that individual a better player, and it sure doesn't highlight your personal interest in the system.

The issue is plain and easy to see - either way that people do it to minimize their attention to the crafting is that Square made it too tedious and it needs major revamps. I've made hundreds of mind-numbingly boring masks, and this didn't add to the game in any way, and it didn't serve to "preserve" the crafting base anyhow.

So many players here seem to want aspects of the game to be defined by time vs the challenge from mechanics, just kinda weird to me, but it's also weird to me that players seem to think FFXIV is a more difficult game than WoW, and I would argue that FFXIV is an easier game right now mechanic wise.

If I was in charge of the game I would make some sort of Tetra Master system for crafting. Different cards that would come into play would be influenced by the statistics on your gear, and how you would perform in that sort of crafting mechanism would help determine the quantity and quality of the items you received; or maybe they wouldn't consume the materials because of your efficiency.

Rewarding players who intricately understand the mechanisms by which the game works seems to be a hell of a lot of a better system than seeing who can smash enter mindlessly. With that method I would also cut out over 50% of the synths required to hit rank 50.

[Dragon]

It seems people are having some long-term memory loss; in Final Fantasy XI, SE didn't care if you ever botted. Or, at least, their GMs didn't. The key problem they had was with those botting while AFK. I wouldn't be surprised if it's the same here as well.

[Rinsui]

It's illegal but there's no way SE know

...or, for the moment, even care.
Quite a few crafters will have reached multiple 50 marks before the true hunt for botters even begins. A "mortage" that will burden the game community and turn off potential newcomers for many years to come.

[yukikaze_yanagi]

As many stated, it's tecnically illegal using automated macros, but there's no way for SE to distinguish from a human imput and an automated one, until they put some protection program...or a keylogger.
That said, since that keyboard require a person to actually use the keys, it's not a legit bot