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    Please reconsider phase changes that heavily disadvantage players

    Too many fights in the game now put the advantage against the players if they push phases at inopportune times. Please reconsider this mechanic for the following reasons:

    1. It forces players to relearn fights that they already may have mastered. No two groups will push phases at the same time. You have to re calibrate (beyond reason) every time you enter a fight with new people, even though they all may have already mastered the fight with other comrades.

    2. Players don't like being punished for DPSing too fast. Fights get easier when you have better DPS. This is the holy grail of raiding theory since the inception of MMORPGs.

    3. It forces players to learn an encounter to a degree that is just ridiculous. I'm sorry, but you shouldn't have to learn that pushing a boss from X% to Y% before he uses Z ability causes a wipe.

    4. Learning how to phase push properly is fight dependent, and serves no added depth to the combat system in general. Players like to feel that their ability to work the combat system in their advantage grows as they spend more and more hours defeating bosses. Spending time learning how to phase push for one fight becomes obsolete as soon as the fight becomes obsolete.

    Please reconsider this mechanic for future encounters.

    Sincerely,

    A master baiter of Chaos Strike who died too many times today through no fault of his own or his team members.
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    Quote Originally Posted by reality_check View Post



    Sincerely,

    A master baiter .
    lol sorry....
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    I don't know if they can really fix it, this is a consequence of their hard-scripted fights and changing all monsters combat script would most likely take a lot of effort.

    If anything I'd expect them to put ilvl sync with 3.0 so people can't overgear for old content.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alukah View Post
    I don't know if they can really fix it, this is a consequence of their hard-scripted fights and changing all monsters combat script would most likely take a lot of effort.

    I'm not suggesting going back and reworking old fights but not having these mechanics in future fights.
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    If you are doing that good and pushing phases faster, I have faith that you can relearn rather quickly. Im assuming you are talking t7 in which case you really only need to wait for a smigde. Either way, its not difficult.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SinisterIsBack View Post
    If you are doing that good and pushing phases faster, I have faith that you can relearn rather quickly. Im assuming you are talking t7 in which case you really only need to wait for a smigde. Either way, its not difficult.
    It's not just turn 7. Turn 6 you can't push Rafflesia until she eats the honey again. In Ramuh you can't push phases until he thundershocks again. In Ifrit, you can't push last phase until all the nails are dead (though this mechanic is obvious -- the consequence shouldn't be a raid wipe.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by SinisterIsBack View Post
    If you are doing that good and pushing phases faster, I have faith that you can relearn rather quickly. Im assuming you are talking t7 in which case you really only need to wait for a smigde. Either way, its not difficult.
    Not really, have u experience honey and then instant leafstorm due to insane DPS?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SinisterIsBack View Post
    If you are doing that good and pushing phases faster, I have faith that you can relearn rather quickly. Im assuming you are talking t7 in which case you really only need to wait for a smigde. Either way, its not difficult.
    if they could learn to adapt, they would have and not complained in the first place, they are probably just following someone else's tactics mindlessly
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    Quote Originally Posted by warren-ragnarok View Post
    if they could learn to adapt, they would have and not complained in the first place, they are probably just following someone else's tactics mindlessly
    Except that even the "adaption" can be done fairly mindlessly. Oh, what's that? The boss is a few HP% above his transition line? Has he done X yet? Then go ahead and push. It's still reducible to a flow chart. . .
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    Quote Originally Posted by reality_check View Post
    1. It forces players to relearn fights that they already may have mastered. No two groups will push phases at the same time. You have to re calibrate (beyond reason) every time you enter a fight with new people, even though they all may have already mastered the fight with other comrades.

    3. It forces players to learn an encounter to a degree that is just ridiculous. I'm sorry, but you shouldn't have to learn that pushing a boss from X% to Y% before he uses Z ability causes a wipe.

    4. Learning how to phase push properly is fight dependent, and serves no added depth to the combat system in general.
    >_> Oh no, you actually have to pay attention and not just bash buttons? See my sig

    There's a thing called "stop attacking when it gets around the %" not "keep beating on it and complain when you wipe"
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    Last edited by Obysuca; 09-12-2014 at 11:26 AM.

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