Requirement for Coil Not needed for Expansion But...

[monochromicorn]

...Just practice.

thats the exact opposite of what this person wants to do.

"i didnt win my first 3 tries, make it easier so i can win without the effort other people have put in" is what the topic of this thread boils down to.

[Shioban]

Melusine and Nael maybe, but I beat Rafflesia as the off-tank the first instance I ever set foot in T6. Without a VoIP program either. (Instance as in "we wiped a few times but did not leave between first entry and killing the boss"). And while I haven't got there yet (Melusine's first set of adds are hell on earth to tank) my Legacy friends who're -way- ahead of me consider T8 so easy that when I brought it up they referred to it as "free loot". Comparatively it took me -months- to finally clear Twintania as WHM/SCH. Even with the Echo I'd rate her as the third-toughest boss in the game, or even second-toughest, after Nael and possibly Melusine.

It's not exactly an easy fight to someone new to it, but the mechanics are fairly easy to learn.

Most parties originally struggled with it mainly due to their gear or not knowing their jobs properly.

Others just struggle with mechanics, but to Rank T5 as a "truly difficult boss fight" is laughable at best.

[Raxion]

You seem more intent on having SE nerf the encounter, instead of learning the fight yourself. You said you tried a total of 3 times, and stopped because you didn't beat it. That's just plain silly. Do you really think these raid encounters were meant to be learned and killed within 3 tries?

Even Collision doesn't beat fights, that they're new to, in 3 tries. Put forth the time and effort to get your kill, or stop bothering with it. T5 is far from difficult. It's entry-level now, thanks to echo. If you can't get T5 down due to lack of patience, there's no way you'll stand a chance in SCoB.

[Sapphic]

Comparatively it took me -months- to finally clear Twintania as WHM/SCH. Even with the Echo I'd rate her as the third-toughest boss in the game, or even second-toughest, after Nael and possibly Melusine.

What you learnt from Twin carries over to SCoB. In fact, for us, Turn 9 took us the least amount of tries overal, compared to 6-8 to clear. Due to what we had learnt from previous turns. Most of T9 mechanics are a variation of mechanics from previous turns, including BCoB.

The OPs post makes no sense Main story and side storys (aka Coil and CT) will end with 2.5. Expansion will be a totally new main story with new zones and new end game content. Coil itself will end with 2.4 and the final BCoB.

off topic: I think would be fun if they did a "Hard Mode" of the three coils set at the expacs new max level, with new mechanics. As an optional raid. Even if the rewards are slightly lower Ilvl than the new raid/s. Minimal dev time to create additional end-game content and allow new players with the xpac to actually run coil, as with level cap raise, no-one will be running them.

[Seiryuukishi]

What made it even more interesting for me was it was my first time doing it. I had watched a couple of videos but to be honest wasn't able to retain a lot of the information gleaned from them. That coupled with the lag made for a very, different, shall we say run through. I explained to my FC leader that I had no experience and was facing lag issues as we had previously set up raid time for after SCOB runs that night. I was watching their stream as best I could to try and learn what I could in the event I ever started SCOB. Well the stream wouldn't keep up so I decided to turn it off and just goof off for a bit. So comes the time for T5 and he's telling me not to worry about the lag, they'll carry me. That they wanted to see if they could 6 man it now with gear upgrades. I told him I didn't want a carry that I wanted to learn it and to do the best I could given the circumstances. After four tries we got it down and even though I died a couple of times on the final one (clear) I was able to adapt to the lag somewhat so I could time the divebomb dodging as well as conflags and liquid hells.

Ultimately, like I said in my previous post, you have to want to get it down (desire) and you have to be willing to fail to get there. No one ever learned from being perfect and when you stop learning is when you are dead. The drive to keep trying (attitude) on top of not blowing a gasket because you didn't one shot it will make the process much easier. Cooler heads prevail in the end.

[Sapphic]

What made it even more interesting for me was it was my first time doing it. I had watched a couple of videos but to be honest wasn't able to retain a lot of the information gleaned from them. That coupled with the lag made for a very, different, shall we say run through. I explained to my FC leader that I had no experience and was facing lag issues as we had previously set up raid time for after SCOB runs that night. I was watching their stream as best I could to try and learn what I could in the event I ever started SCOB.

Took me a couple of tries for divebombs when we were learning t5, just wouldn't click at first. Then it did after a few wipes XD MAde turn 9 DBs easier after going through that learning experience previously.

[coldreactive]

What made it even more interesting for me was it was my first time doing it. I had watched a couple of videos but to be honest wasn't able to retain a lot of the information gleaned from them. That coupled with the lag made for a very, different, shall we say run through.

Exactly this. The main reason I don't want to continue trying is because of the jerks in the community that keep asking if you've watched videos, know the strat, etc. I'll always say "I've watched videos / read guides, but I don't remember half the strategy." They'll kick me immediately. I'm being hoest, I don't like not being honest.

[Tashigi]

Exactly this. The main reason I don't want to continue trying is because of the jerks in the community that keep asking if you've watched videos, know the strat, etc. I'll always say "I've watched videos / read guides, but I don't remember half the strategy." They'll kick me immediately. I'm being hoest, I don't like not being honest.

If it's a "clear" group that has a "kill experience" only requirement, you shouldn't be applying.
Those groups want things done quick due to time constrains or because they plan to farm; not to teach. You need to join a learning group.

[KingOfAbyss]

We are not asking you to remember half or all the strategies, but if you make more than one "progression" parties in PF (you start them so it's your rules, gbye jerks) - yes it will take more than 3 attempts into one session.

It takes some peeps Months to clear it.

If you are not ready to invest the time, as this game is a time investment no matter what you do, I have no choice but to side with others and.. you might end up having to pay for T5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12-13. (Might toss in a few EX Primals)

I am pretty sure you can find decent people that are willing to take the time to go by phase, then you wipe, then next phase since you learned the first one etc..

Me and my FC mate just cleared it 2 weeks ago. Not because we had a hard time by ourselves, it was harder to setup a whole group to progress and kill.

So roll up your sleeves, get into it, and you shall prevail and get your win, and comeback to brag about it right here!

Good luck to you.

[Psychosamm]

Here is my question, you say you have no interest in doing T5 and beyond, so why do you care about clearing it? There is nothing in the game other than second coil that requires T5 to be killed, and you don't plan on doing it, so why does it matter? How can you expect people to know what the DEV team is planning for the SECOND expansion, when we already barely know anything about the first?

Coil is geared towards the more hardcore type players, the ones who want a challenge. If you don't have the desire to try to learn the fight, then you don't deserve to beat it, plain and simple. Especially because it isn't roadblocking you from anything other than more coil, which would inevitably leave you in the same situation. If you really want a win that badly for whatever reason, i suggest you save up for a carry. The only thing i could see you wanting to clear it for are the cut-scenes, and there's youtube for that. (insert 'don't tell me to watch youtube' rant here) Plus, once you see the T5 cutscene, you're going to want to see 6-9, which getting a carry for those may end up a little pricey.