Novus Vs the Un-Weathered Weapons...what gives?

[Reynhart]

"The relic can upgrade" is not really a good point.
It'll take time to upgrade a relic to the next step.
It'll take time to drop a better weapon in the next item tier.
The only difference is that you can choose the stats, but that's a huge difference, given that other i110 weapon can have a less useful stat. AND, if the i110 weapon has a bonus to Deter (Although, not sure if that happens), it'll actually have less total stat bonuses that the Novus.

[ispano]

"The relic can upgrade" is not really a good point.
It'll take time to upgrade a relic to the next step.
It'll take time to drop a better weapon in the next item tier.
The only difference is that you can choose the stats, but that's a huge difference, given that other i110 weapon can have a less useful stat. AND, if the i110 weapon has a bonus to Deter (Although, not sure if that happens), it'll actually have less total stat bonuses that the Novus.

Well, the thing people forget is that in the grand scheme of things, secondary stat differences mean very little. 5% at best between a 110 with non optimal stats, or even no secondaries, vs one with optimal.

[Reynhart]

Well, the thing people forget is that in the grand scheme of things, secondary stat differences mean very little. 5% at best between a 110 with non optimal stats, or even no secondaries, vs one with optimal.

Since you can easily attain Accuracy cap with only armor and accessories while focusing on another primary stat, any weapon with a lot of accuracy has a fair chance to be far from optimal.
And DPS wise, skill speed boost is pretty low compared to Crit or Deter.

For example, my "cheap" Curtana Nova is +18 Deter, +24, Crit, +11 Acc. Burtgang is +22 Accu and +22 Deter, so it's really worse.

[ispano]

Since you can easily attain Accuracy cap with only armor and accessories while focusing on another primary stat, any weapon with a lot of accuracy has a fair chance to be far from optimal.
And DPS wise, skill speed boost is pretty low compared to Crit or Deter.

It's still minimal, again, 5% at best.

I've compared Weathered Conqueror and HA Great Axe while keeping the rest of my gear the same using this calculator :http://valk.dancing-mad.com/calculat...ut-calculator/
The difference between the two, DPS wise, is 6%

Would you skip high-allagan weapon ?

Thing is High Allagan is i115, so it has a Weapon/Magic Damage and Primary Stat bump, which outweigh ANY sub stat combination they may have in comparison to an i110 weapon.

[NyneAlexander]

Specifically from a BLM point of view: If you are doing 2nd coil and getting high allagan armor, you are NOT going to need that accuracy from the laevathin (spelling). If you are NOT getting 2nd coil gear, you will need the accuracy. However.. it should be said that the only content you really need accuracy cap 471 for is.. well.. 2nd coil.

My honest black mage opinion? Get the novus. Because spell speed and determination (or SS, DET and some PIE to get to 251 natural PIE) is WAY better than the insane ACC and moderate SS on the Laevathin.

Also... dat glow.

[Midori_Nabooru]

To me the Nouvs is a long term investment, which you will be able to upgrade in coming patches. Ive gotten my whm done and currently working on my sch. Tbh, going from Animus to Novus isn't all that bad.

[Reynhart]

It's still minimal, again, 5% at best.

I've compared Weathered Conqueror and HA Great Axe while keeping the rest of my gear the same using this calculator : http://valk.dancing-mad.com/calculat...ut-calculator/
The difference between the two, DPS wise, is 6%

Would you skip high-allagan weapon ?

[Orlandeu]

I'd have to disagree on one point that the OP made: making the relic quest line the best available weapon. This is mainly because I'm so far behind(4/12 atmas) and it will take me far longer to complete it since everybody is already past that stage. If SE decides to make the relic weapon the best available weapon in the future, then I'd have no choice but to start at the very beginning and I'm not looking forward to it.

[Linadae]

I did my relics for bard, smn, sch, and blm up to Zenith. I was intending to go farther but then I saw all of the ridiculous hoops you have to go through... I'm sorry but I play a game to have fun. Not to endure it.

Dungeons = fun
Coil = fun
CT = fun when you're not surrounded by idiots. (did a server only run...smooth as butter and everyone joking and laughing.)

10,000 Fates = not fun (yes I know, I'm exaggerating a bit...or am I. there are those who can't get out of atma for lack of luck)
God knows how many Myth to buy books that give you a long list of monsters, dungeons, and yes...more fates to do.
millions upon millions gil worth of materia to finally make the perfect weapon...that lasts 1 and a half month before the new tier drops.

I'm having more fun spiritbinding materia to overcharge those gluttons for punishment. I hope the next advancement for Relic involves materia too. I'd like to get a nice medium personal house. I have one scouted out...that is if they use the same housing ward design.

At least with CT/dungeons/Coil, I have a chance of coming out of the run with something even if it's just Soldiery tomes. All of the above...you do that for one item. The work does not equal the reward.

[Brine_Gildchaff]

Novus weapons are fully customizable, and in many cases they exceed the power of the unweathered. Consider for example the Thyrus Novus; if you maximize PIE/DET on that you have superior numbers in those stats compared to the Yagrush, and you even have 11 points left over you can throw into acc or crit or whatever you like.