Thread: Time to bring back 1.23 multi-job relic style dungeons

I don't even know why the debate about cross-class skills even matter. There is a pretty huge difference between taking Thaumaturge to Lv.26 for Swift Cast, and taking Thaumaturge to Lv.50 and gearing it for endgame on top of your White Mage.

I'd have used a Gladiator/Warrior comparison, but I realized they'll share gear. Why am I saying this? Because it's pretty ridiculous for me to envision a hypothetical endgame dungeon where it is absolutely important that you switch from Paladin to Warrior mid way through. You'd stay on Paladin and not suffer having your cooldowns reset. Job switching only really works when the Jobs are pretty different from each other, in which case we go back to my original sentence. Both cases of "required" cross-class skills are pretty pathetic in comparison to actually having to switch Job mid-run.

Seriously, the difference between "having" to level other classes for cross-class skills and having to have more than one Job functional in an endgame situation is just too big for this point to be anything but a joke.

Originally Posted by Nalien

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Well the dungeon would have to force you to switch jobs otherwise there'd be no point in designing it to allow a switch in the first place because you could just run it without switching and be no worse for the wear, our classes aren't so vastly different from each other where you'd need to have 4 blm over 4 different jobs and vice versa. It'd also have to alleviate the CD when switching.
In other words, it'd just be a waste of dev time with our current system.

I think that the need/greed loot system is actually what prevents this kind of thing from happening again. I don't want speed runs back at all, but it might be nice to be able to change jobs if you're in a pre-built party (where you can't use the DF to replace) and someone quits/dc's and doesn't come back.

Originally Posted by Zumi

Was playing some FFXI today with the free week went into Outer Ra'Kazanar (open world dungeon). This the kind of dungeon design people want?

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I personally wouldn't mind a dungeon like that considering all we've gotten up to this point are linear hallways from level 1 onwards. However, they need to be instanced if not it will be like hunts ver 2.0 all over again.

Originally Posted by BlackHaloJT

Yoshi even said if it wasn't for us "loyal" fans that stuck by the team in 1.0 (noticed I didn't say spoiled like ARR players are today) their wouldn't be a ARR today.

I'll take spoiled over rude/obnoxious any day.

Originally Posted by Zumi

Was playing some FFXI today with the free week went into Outer Ra'Kazanar (open world dungeon). This the kind of dungeon design people want?

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That actually looks like a lot of fun, something to get a party with and explore, fighting your way through. With FFXIV's environment details (some of XI's dungeons were bland due to graphics limitations), I bet SE could make it look good as well.

Originally Posted by skaterger

However, they need to be instanced if not it will be like hunts ver 2.0 all over again.

How so? Hunts were a problem due to ease of both getting to the mobs, as well as taking them out. In literally 20s of a call out, the group could get to the mob and kill it. If the dungeon was large enough, it wouldn't be a one second free gear fest hunts turned out to be.

How did XI and XIV 1.0 (heck, even WoW's "dungeons" like the whole dwarf area in Burning Steppes, the area in Hinterlands, and the various cave systems through out the game) avoid the problem (I assume XIV did), yet XIV 2.0 can't?

Originally Posted by Andres_Lonegrief

People still wipe at Aurum or Stone Vigil, but everybody can clear Hullbreaker without the slightest ounce of effort.

Because those dungeons are level synched and you can't use over gearing as a crutch to bad performance. Level 50 dungeons are not level synched so you can basically brute force the dungeons by having larger armour and health pools than the mobs were designed for, as well as take them out way faster.