Please add clearance condition to Group Finder

[Ashkendor]

This is a baseless statement and you had no reason to say this; it just shows poor form on your part. Unless you have played with those players you have no idea what their skill levels were. You don't know if they've just had horrible parties or if they want to get carried. They could very easily have performed just as well as the people who have REX on farm.

What you do know is that their skill level is unknown and you did not want to chance it.

As someone that's on the learning stage for Ramuh, I'd like to set this straight. My group made it to the adds phase on our second attempt, with only 2 of the members having prior experience. The first attempt failed due to one tank (me) being new to the fight and not picking up on the swap mechanic right off the bat. The adds phase isn't very far into the battle and is a HUGE hurdle. If those players haven't even been past that, there's no way they can be expected to perform through the rest of the fight. It's basically like saying you've never lived past the heart phase on Titan. From what I understand from guides and videos, the mechanics only get more difficult from there.

[ExKage]

They said they only made it to Adds phase. What part of that did you not read or understand? They explicitly said they never made it past the Adds phase and have never cleared the fight. Thus, they are still new players to the fight.


Why chance it for myself and the other 5 players? It was a farm party designed for players who have multiple wins and have full knowledge of the entire fight - not only a portion of it.

I never said anything about whether or not you are -right- to exclude them. What I did have issue with is that you called them -beggars- just by asking you. You have just as low comprehension of my statement which is not about "oh god you didn't let them in", as I said "What you do know is that their skill level is unknown and you did not want to chance it."

Adds phase is very easy to get to, I agree. However Ramuh doesn't get -that much- harder afterwards. You still have orbs. You still have chaotic. You still have cleaves. You get OH GOSH TETHER AND THE LASERS. Um. Yes.

You didn't want to chance it. I get it. I agree with it. What I said was that unless you have played with them, you do not know for sure their skill level just reasonable suspect. You do not know for sure if you are going to have to carry them. Reasonable suspect.

[NyarukoW]

...I did not beg people to join my PF since they joined at their own accord to accomplish the objective: farming.
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You were certainly begging for other players to join you on the farm PF. You let the system do the actual begging for you. A PF is a request for other players to help you so you are begging. That is why I always thank the party host because they have to put in the effort to beg for people to join. Also the newer players did you a courtesy and asked first. But you take people for granted. That much is obvious.

And it show new players show that they are NOT looking to ninja or leech a win, and people in general are conscientious and you do not need a "no newbie wanted" check box. You just hate newbies and/or newer players. That too is obvious. You just want to reap the rewards of other people teaching and other people learning for your own personal gain. And worse yet you want a "no newbies wanted" check box and have the system hand it to you, regardless of the fact it does NOT work and it has all the negatives.

[Ashkendor]

You were certainly begging for other players to join you on the farm PF. You let the system do the actual begging for you. A PF is a request for other players to help you so you are begging. That is why I always thank the party host because they have to put in the effort to beg for people to join. Also the newer players did you a courtesy and asked first. But you take people for granted. That much is obvious.

And it show new players show that they are not looking to ninja or leech a win. You just hate newbies and/or newer players. That too is obvious. You just want to reap the rewards of other people teaching and other people learning for your own personal gain.

By your definition, if I call someone and ask them if they want to go out, I am begging them to go out with me.

Just... what? This doesn't even make any sense.

[NyarukoW]

By your definition, if I call someone and ask them if they want to go out, I am begging them to go out with me....

Make perfect sense to me. Actually that is begging with even higher stakes. It is any different than the high school kid that asks for a celebrity to go to their prom thru twitter or facebook? It doesn't do much for your ego or pride, but it is what it is. Taking the initiative is requires effort. It is no different than telemarketer cold calling, or door-to-door people trying to make their sales pitch. That is why you treat those people with the same kindness as everyone else, because they are all people. So do the decent thing, if you need to turn people down, turn people down politely in all interactions. Sending the dog out to bite them or chase them away is not the right thing, just like a "no newbies wanted" check box. And just because they didn't read the "no solicitation" placard you put on the door, does NOT give you the right to send the dogs after them either.

[ExKage]

Make perfect sense to me. Actually that is begging with even higher stakes. It doesn't do much for your ego or pride, but it is what it is. Taking the initiative is requires effort.

What the hell I don't even.

Calling them and asking them to go out is taking the initiative and is the effort. What are you going to call not begging in that situation? I. What even.

[Ashkendor]

Make perfect sense to me. Actually that is begging with even higher stakes. It is any different than the high school kid that asks for a celebrity to go to their prom thru twitter or facebook? It doesn't do much for your ego or pride, but it is what it is. Taking the initiative is requires effort. It is no different than telemarketer cold calling, or door-to-door people trying to make their sales pitch. That is why you treat those people with the same kindness as everyone else, because they are all people. So do the decent thing, if you need to turn people down, turn people down politely in all interactions. Sending the dog out to bite them or chase them away is not the right thing, just like a "no newbies wanted" check box. And just because they didn't read the "no solicitation" placard you put on the door, does NOT give you the right to send the dogs after them either.

I wasn't even really talking about an actual date so any of the commentary about ego and pride is kind of a moot point. Call up a few friends, ask if they want to hit the town; that equates to begging them to go out with me? In any case, I am the one taking initiative in that example. Your reply is nonsensical.

You certainly do have a flair for hyperbole, I have to admit. In this case, the checkbox is the equivalent of the 'no solicitation' placard, not the equivalent of setting my hypothetical dogs on them.

[NyarukoW]

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Calling them and asking them to go out is taking the initiative and is the effort. What are you going to call not begging in that situation? ....

When they seek you out, then they are begging you. What is so wrong with begging? Everyone has to it all the time. It is all part of the give an take. So do not do others what you would not want done to you, and at the same time do unto others as you would want other to do unto you. Fair is fair.

Beg, beseech, request, ask, etc. it all the same. I am not some monk that has taken a vow or poverty or anything like that, but there is no shame in being a beggar. Being newer, poorer, lesser, there is no shame in that either, in game or in life. That is just where you are now, it is in "the how"/"the way" you get to where you want to go that matters. And being mean to newbies with the "no newbies wanted" check box is not the right way.

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In this case, the checkbox is the equivalent of the 'no solicitation' placard, not the equivalent of setting my hypothetical dogs on them.

Actually the comments that people may ignore is like the "no solicitation placard". A "no newbies wanted" check box is like the dogs, because it actually has the teeth of the system to enforce it.

[ExKage]

-snip I don't even-

By your definition, every single person on the world is a beggar in every single action they take. You are a beggar. I am a beggar. There is no reason to use the word. It's not a descriptor that differentiates one from another because everyone is a beggar!

[Dwill]

Obviously you are too foolish to understand cats. Nice cat pictures by the way, but you forgot to photoshop your character into the pictures. You misintepret their actions as begging, when they are actually demanding you to feed them. And they will never beg you clean the litter box, they will just leave the crap in places you couldn't imagine.

It's understandable to not want to accept reality when it disagrees with you entirely. That denial however doesn't make you correct either.