Please add clearance condition to Group Finder

[Yahavage]

Why are people assuming people who haven't cleared content are bads and will be incapable? Or will it just be devestating getting someone without a clear who plays better than you?

Honestly I can see where the op is coming from but I think potentially you're missing out on good players just because you're assuming someone who hasn't cleared the stuff is terrible. You've still got the potential to end up with morons who got carried.

Having said if the option was there it'd make no difference to me, their party their rulez blah blah. I would probably would not use it, unless I reaaaallly wanted to clear something in a hurry, but even then it's not going to be foolproof.

[ispano]

Why are people assuming people who haven't cleared content are bads and will be incapable? Or will it just be devestating getting someone without a clear who plays better than you?

Honestly I can see where the op is coming from but I think potentially you're missing out on good players just because you're assuming someone who hasn't cleared the stuff is terrible. You've still got the potential to end up with morons who got carried.

Having said if the option was there it'd make no difference to me, their party their rulez blah blah. I would probably would not use it, unless I reaaaallly wanted to clear something in a hurry, but even then it's not going to be foolproof.

The part you're missing is that people join when they don't meet the requirements. Some will ask of course, but most will just join and try to pass off as experienced. People are allowed to set their own rules, regardless of how you or I think, but many people don't care and intentionally join and mess these people up.

[Dallie]

Why are people assuming people who haven't cleared content are bads and will be incapable? Or will it just be devestating getting someone without a clear who plays better than you?

Honestly I can see where the op is coming from but I think potentially you're missing out on good players just because you're assuming someone who hasn't cleared the stuff is terrible.

I think you're partially right. They're afraid their epeen will get smacked. Part of it is also wanting to remain in their nested, safe shell where they don't have to be exposed to anything but their own toxicity.

I understand not wanting to waste hours of your time with someone who licks dirty windowpanes, but all a system like this will do is jack up the elitism level by about ten notches. Between Hunts and 2nd Coil PF at the moment, it doesn't need to be any higher. People moan about how bad WoW raiding is/was...trust me, they have nothing on the snobbery in XIV.

[TomTom1968]

I am all with you about helping new players. But why support them even on farm/kill parties? Everybody can start a Group search on their own, setting their own conditions. If you do not meet them or do not like them, just do not join. A farm/kill party is not meant for new players and I really hope this is not already seen as Elitism.

If they look for help, they should start a Search asking for help. Then those who want to help people with training can join. I do that actually once in a while when I see T5 parties up when I remember how long I needed to get that fight done. It can actually be quite enjoying and satisfying to help some people to beat a certain phase or help them to win a fight. But it should be a choice I make and not something I am forced into because somebody gives a crap about the requirements set in the Group Search.

The problem I see is that not enough people want to spend the time looking for a training party or training for specific phases. They just hop into any party open, knowing the conditions and also knowing they do not meet the requirements but still, they join. And sadly, the 1-2 persons who should have never joined such parties take care that the people who really have it on Farm mode leave the party after a few wipes. Do the new or better said not kill experienced players care about this? Nope, they don't. They join and hope for the best (for them). You can call the people opening win/kill/farm parties elitists but ppl joining these fights without meeting the requirements are selfish at least. What's worse? Asking for people in the same boat or claiming to be something you aren't. I don't know.

And I do not think people who haven't cleared a content are bad. We all start with training but Coil is so unforgiving that you need experience in all phases several times to win it. Some learn quicker than others but bottom line is, when I want a party full of people who have downed it already, it should be possible. And since you can't bet on players beeing honest, why not ask for a Game feature to prevent it.

[Volcano]

Bad idea, I have had some people not have the clear but perform very well, it just so happens that some people do know the fight, they just need others to know it as well.

I don't know why people think just because someone does not have said clear that means they don't actually know the fight. You can ask for experienced players, but locking them out just because they don't have the clear is a prejudice choice, i have had plenty of

"i have the clear" players join a farm group and they were dead all the time, what they didn't tell you is that they were dead the entire time on their clear and was carried to victory, but so long as they have the win, they can join, right?

I see nothing good coming out of an option like this.

[Yahavage]

The part you're missing is that people join when they don't meet the requirements. Some will ask of course, but most will just join and try to pass off as experienced. People are allowed to set their own rules, regardless of how you or I think, but many people don't care and intentionally join and mess these people up.

Meh I suppose. I guess I keep thinking somewhere that people aren't that douchebaggy. No idea why really Surely it can't affect that many PF's though...?

[ispano]

Meh I suppose. I guess I keep thinking somewhere that people aren't that douchebaggy. No idea why really Surely it can't affect that many PF's though...?

Really depends on what the PF is for. And, yes, people really are like that. Not related to the thread topic persay, but earlier I went into a Hullbreaker as WHM. Tank ran off in Sword Oath, and ignoring that was doing a horrible job picking up adds. I mentioned the Oath and he switched, then said he was drunk. At which point I told him not to queue. Apparently I should deal with it however, according to him anyways. I see these people fairly often. Not all the time of course, but often enough to be annoying.

[Shougun]

You can call the people opening win/kill/farm parties elitists but ppl joining these fights without meeting the requirements are selfish at least. What's worse? Asking for people in the same boat or claiming to be something you aren't. I don't know.

Good question :P

If I had infinite resources, official development experience ? lol, and an mmo (really goes under resources, so.. so.. expensive :P) - I'd probably try to enforce solo "proof of ability" contents, and then either depending on demand allow the option to segregate further but encourage not to.. or just not allow it.

The reward would have to be significant for the hardest contents, but not something that would cause people to level up fake characters just to abuse the new person benefit. Serious thought needed for a reward, but I don't think the current one is large enough for the really hard contents - more of a nice thing to see if it works out.

Again though, because I wouldn't want bad players just getting encouragement to be bad I would set up Job quests at given ilvl tiers ensuring you can indeed play your job. Job quests used to be harder but SE nerfed em.. perhaps for intro to level 50 it should be this way, I don't think it should be that way for all time though. I know it is impossible to prevent all scenarios but the hope here would be you see a player join that is new, you're excited to teach them because helping people is fun and because oh wow! you get the chance to earn x awesome tokens or chest, and then finally you know they don't suck completely because they finished that really hard solo* quest(s) you did and there is no way they could have been carried through that synced quest.

*Any scenario that is largely self driven proving to yourself, with limited stress from others, that you know your job. Making this your "I'm not a noob" ticket. Wouldn't need a "no new people" button if everyone you saw wasn't an un-trainable mess lol. I know what you say about really bad people who got pulled through content.. maybe we can fix a large amount of that issue without addressing it in the social sphere? I think most people are trainable but just need to be given the chance and tools*, I like teaching and explaining mechanics, but as I said I've met a few people who just don't care to learn or are not currently in the right mindset to apply the knowledge they're taking in. *The tools is a big thing that is harder to train, and something that I think SE could greatly help with by making these suggested quests.

[TomTom1968]

^^ same for me. I have beaten T6 7 times so far, T7 twice. Not a single item for my class or a random item nobody could need on. And to make it worse, I also can't link to Lodestone because I am on a PS4 and can't be arsed to type 80 characters to the chat lol. Most of the time I ask who is on a PC and ask if they can check out my achievements on Lodestone on their own. But it is kinda embarrassing. :P But all in all, I hate that kind of having to stalk people to make sure you get the group you look for. That's why I ask for a Game mechanics in Group Search. All that stalking nonsense would be gone with a heartbeat. And those akward moments when you see that Myth bonus coming up for somebody without a single clear in a farm party lol.