Please add clearance condition to Group Finder

[NyarukoW]

... for hardcore end-game raiders who want to farm or be done with their weekly clears in the most efficient manner.

"Most efficent manner" is what you wish for, but there is no good reason why SE would want to exclude 99% of the player base for the top 1% to do that. And which hard-core raider does NOT have a proper static fully manned? And which truly top notch group of 7 is afraid of carrying 1 new player? I've seen FCs do this offering free clears because they are just 7 and they have a well earned reputation as good group of people if you are lucky enough to go with them. To them helping the new player is good, and this a way to increase the challenge and difficulty level, as well as opportunity to evaluate and recruit.

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what is stopping new players from creating or joining a learning or progress party to start learning the fight?

What is denying them access to a party that just needs 1 more player? They can help fill out the party and learn at the same time. Again they may think they have progressed past the learning party, and they should have the opportunity to try.

[Brine_Gildchaff]

Let me try and put this another way: Currently players new to the endgame scene face a problem oddly similar to that many attempting to enter the workforce face: everyone wants "experienced" members for their PF, and it's rare indeed to see a group actively open to teach newer players. There's not really an opportunity -for- players to learn anymore except through DF, which is almost always a rage-inducing waste of time, or by opening up their own parties, which often never actually have people join them who have any actual experience. The proposed "clearance condition" would exacerbate this problem, so regardless of whatever pros it might have, it really shouldn't be implemented.

[Gucci_Charms]

What is denying them access to a party that just needs 1 more player? They can help fill out the party and learn at the same time. Again they may think they have progressed past the learning party, and they should have the opportunity to try.

What is denying the 1 new player access is the fact that the specific party does not want to carry him/her when it clearly says it's a farm/previous win party. If the new player wants learn, they can join or create their own learning party. Veteran raiders are not obligated to help new players. What you're asking for is beyond simply learning the instance.

What you want is simply a means for new players to get carried through content with as little effort as possible.

And FYI, 99% of the player base would not be excluded by adding this option. Exaggerate much lol? Proper statics are fully manned by competent and players who put in time and effort. They are not comprised of "I want to be carried" mentality players.

[Alistaire]

Let me try and put this another way: Currently players new to the endgame scene face a problem oddly similar to that many attempting to enter the workforce face: everyone wants "experienced" members for their PF, and it's rare indeed to see a group actively open to teach newer players. There's not really an opportunity -for- players to learn anymore except through DF, which is almost always a rage-inducing waste of time, or by opening up their own parties, which often never actually have people join them who have any actual experience. The proposed "clearance condition" would exacerbate this problem, so regardless of whatever pros it might have, it really shouldn't be implemented.

That'd be a good analogy if you included that it was absolutely free and took no effort whatsoever to just create your own work team and specify 0 experience necessary; will train. Party finder; where you can be your own boss.

...but then that'd entirely defeat your point now wouldn't it?

[Apricoth]

I do not see a problem with the OP's suggestion. It would be a tool that will allow a player to have better control of their time as well as help others that fall on to the same experience page of the content they want to clear in an efficient manner. That party leader is putting his/her time on the table and it should be respected. The other experienced players are also putting their time on the table that requires courtesy. Anyone else that stands here trying to make what the OP has suggested out to be something monstrous/segratorial/anti-social needs to take it elsewhere. If someone needs to clear content for the first time, then by all means, grab the help of your FC/LS-mates or throw it up in the PF as a "learning" party or "need help" party. If experienced players wish to help those that have not cleared a particular content, they will open up those doors and assist. Do not sit here and try to dictate to them what they should or shouldn't do - it is not your place and you have no leg to stand on to try to enforce your misplaced moral values on this subject. They pay their subscriptions like all other players and will play the game as they see fit. If you fear elitism - as someone has already said, it is already prevalent in the game. What is to stop party leaders or entire parties voting to kick someone? I would even go as far as to say the OPs request would be excellent as it would prevent the non-clear people from being kicked when it has been discovered they lied - they just wouldn't be in the party in the first place!

Of course, just my opinion. <shrug>

[NyarukoW]

That'd be a good analogy if you included that it was absolutely free and took no effort whatsoever to just create your own work team and specify 0 experience necessary; will train. Party finder; where you can be your own boss.
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Guess what, people can go out start their own business/company in real life too. Be your own boss, but that works how well again?

Telling new players they are NOT wanted, is a no go for SE. The top 1% don't need more tools to exclude other players. Not to mention this clearance condition will be a boon for clear sellers and RMT.

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And FYI, 99% of the player base would not be excluded by adding this option. Exaggerate much lol?

Nope not exaggerating. How many people to this day still need to clear T5 or Titan EX. Go poll the people online in game. You get lucky to find more than 5% of them to have cleared both, that number is probably closer to 1%. And T9, there are not that many statics that can do that at all. It is same group of people that can afford the houses now being priced so that only the top 1% have the gil on hand to acquire those. Same reason why T5/Titan EX clears are being sold at 1mil per run.

... Do not sit here and try to dictate to them what they should or shouldn't do - it is not your place and you have no leg to stand on to try to enforce your misplaced moral values on this subject.

Nobody is dictating to them. Remember these are the people that dictate to the unwashed masses of newer players to stay away from them on the PF. They don't need tools in the system to make that even easier. They can kick and they do kick, but at least they have to try. And who are you to tell people to be quiet. It is not about moral values anyways, it is about enlightened self-interest. By getting more access to more people, it helps SE, and helps the player base, and in turn helps myself to have more people to play with, and more chances to clear new challenging content. It is taking the long view and bigger picture approach. There will only be fewer and fewer people to draw from the further up the ladder, and that "clear condition" will basically exclude everyone before you know it.

Imagine on day one of SCOB being released, it will be a real laugh to see people setting the clearance condition flag for cleared T9, most likely because they haven't even cleared T6 themselves, and then complain about how they can't find anyone as good as themselves.

[Souljacker]

I don't see how it's any different than currently asking for experience in the fight. The only difference is you lose that infinitesimal chance the group will say "ok, let's just go" after entering and seeing the "new player" message. If someone wants to make a farm group, that's their choice. They shouldn't be forced to enter an instance and find that some people don't meet the requirements, and have to go back out and repost their party finder.

[Alistaire]

Guess what, people can go out start their own business/company in real life too. Be your own boss, but that works how well again?

Telling new players they are NOT wanted, is a no go for SE. The top 1% don't need more tools to exclude other players. Not to mention this clearance condition will be a boon for clear sellers and RMT.

How well it works in real life is vastly different than how well it works here. Which is my point about how terrible your analogy is.

[Ellatrix]

When 2.4 comes and I farm Coil2, anyone who joins my party will be required to have i110 and link two HA weapons or they get the boot and blacklist. Once my party fills, I will then go on to enjoy farming. I did this with great success on 2.2 and T5 farming. The checkbox the OP wants would just be convenient so that people who don't read the party finder can't join and waste my time in the first place - since I would just kick them out anyway when they fail to link a weapon to show proof of completion.

I sell runs, and this checkbox would really not do anything for me in terms of getting more sales. Something like 70%+ of merc runs are for repeat customers. So don't go throwing that out when you have no experience. Hey that gives me an idea - I want tools for creating a thread that only people who have certain in-game achievements can post in! Anything endgame related you must have T5/TitanX clear, and to comment on job balance you must have T9 clear!

[NyarukoW]

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I sell runs, and this checkbox would really not do anything for me in terms of getting more sales. ..

Of course you wouldn't tell people that it would increase sales, just like you wouldn't want people to know about the price increase you'd be getting too.

How well it works in real life is vastly different than how well it works here. ...

I don't know how you define different. The odds of it working is extremely low in real life and in game. SE knows this and they will not look to segregate and divide up the playerbase that this clearance condition will induce.

...They shouldn't be forced to enter an instance and find that some people don't meet the requirements, and have to go back out and repost their party finder.

In what ways are they forced? The requirement that people must perform. The clearance condition is NOT going to solve that. People that bought clears are repeat customers, and they are still clueless as ever. The requirement is there to make the sales more desirable and profitable.