Please add clearance condition to Group Finder

[NyarukoW]

.... If it says no newbies or 100 mythology message allowed, why would you want to embarass yourself? LOL.

I didn't say it, some said it:

Each and every player has the RIGHT to decide who they want to play with, jerk or not. ... It isn't about nice or mean, its about freedom to choose, which we all have.

Which means it applies to everyone, but somehow they quickly forgot about everyone and somehow made the PF host more equal than others. I do NOT advocate anyone embarassing themselves, I sure wouldn't go help some farm party that thinks too highly of themselves. But everyone should have the freedom. If you are too lazy form your farm static, why are you entitled to have people be at your beck and call when you want to farm?

[Gucci_Charms]

Which means it applies to everyone, but somehow they quickly forgot about everyone and somehow made the PF host more equal than others. I do NOT advocate anyone embarassing themselves, I sure wouldn't go help some farm party that thinks too highly of themselves. But everyone should have the freedom. If you are too lazy form your farm static, why are you entitled to have people be at your beck and call when you want to farm?

If everyone has the freedom to choose, they also have the freedom to choose to exclude people who just don't meet the requirements for their party. What your implying is that new players should just join farm or previous win parties because they have the freedom to do so without any regard for what the conditions are for that party. Just because you supposedly don't (hard to believe) doesn't mean all new players will follow your same practice.

You are simply promoting new players to essentially get raged on by veteran players and blacklisted at that very moment.

Your emphasis that only statics can be farm groups is hilarious and nothing more than nonsense.

[NyarukoW]

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... new players to essentially get raged on by veteran players and blacklisted at that very moment. ....

Static farm groups are effective and efficient. It is not nonsense, you are just too lazy to do that.

And why should be new players be treated badly by veteran players? Why should they be blacklisted? That is bad behavior on part of the experienced players. BTW you seen in this thread or any other, I've never advocated for new players to go crash farm parties. Nonetheless, the PF host has the power kick people from the party before they even start the instance. So it only fair the power to join belongs to player joining the PF, after all they are helping fill out the party. Beggars can't be choosers.

And is it so hard to talk to people and figure out what they know or whether if they can help? Or what is so wrong to give the new player one chance, and if they wipe then kick them? Whatever happened "kick for wiping the party"? That is a lot more fair than so silly "no newbies wanted" check box that doesn't work. People with clears but lack practice, skill, or experience deserves to be kicked a lot more than someone without a clear that is performing well.

[Gucci_Charms]

Static farm groups are effective and efficient. It is not nonsense, you are just too lazy to do that

So people who use Party Finder for what it is actually designed for are all lazy? Okay gotcha. This makes so much sense considering any player posting anything in PF is actually taking the initiative to do something about what they want to do (being proactive since you don't understand what this means).

Are you in a farm static? Your gear and experience seem to say you have no end-game content credibility to actually know what farming entails. You therefore have nothing to base your emo rants on other than high possibility that you are a new player who tries to ninja win or get carried.

And why should be new players be treated badly by veteran players? Why should they be blacklisted?

Because they try to ninja win or get carried and cannot read the PF description the host made. Why should they waste that group's time instead of making a learning party?

People with clears but lack practice, skill, or experience deserves to be kicked a lot more than someone without a clear that is performing well.

You have no clears, skill, or experience with farming - so you deserve to be kicked out of any clear or farm parties. Hunt life does not count. Sorry

[NyarukoW]

... Party Finder for what it is actually designed for are all lazy? ...

Lazy people are NOT using it as designed. You don't get to use it to divide up the player base. You may think you are using it as designed just like players who think that they can farm are joining your farm PFs. You want to farm, they want to farm, what is the disagreement. Because that is actually working as designed, but you just don't like it that way, why else are you trying to change things. Oh you want to farm successfully, just like they do to, but neither put in the time an effort to form a farming static. Guess what the system will never be able to magically find you all the skilled and experienced players your want, whenever you want.

You can keep calling me names complain about my gear level, whatever, but that doesn't change the fact that, you (or any other players) are NOT entitled to have people at your beck and call for your farm PF. You are not that special that everyone else on the server has to yield to your wishes. Fact is, for the toughest newest content/instance for the best reward, there will never be enough players that got far enough to be immediately available to you when you want it. And excluding potentials will only make that those PFs even harder to fill.

[Gucci_Charms]

More emo baseless rants

You have no credibility with farming nor understand what Party Finder is designed for. You also clearly have no idea what lazy and proactive mean. So, we can't take you seriously.

You are not that special that everyone else on the server has to yield to your wishes.

You just answered your own questions concerning exclusion for new players with the above statement. Veteran players do not have to yield to new player wishes. So proud of you!

[ExKage]

You can keep calling me names complain about my gear level, whatever, but that doesn't change the fact that, you (or any other players) are NOT entitled to have people at your beck and call for your farm PF. You are not that special that everyone else on the server has to yield to your wishes. Fact is, for the toughest newest content/instance for the best reward, there will never be enough players that got far enough to be immediately available to you when you want it. And excluding potentials will only make that those PFs even harder to fill.

I don't even.

This tangent is so way off course I just. What? How are you even reaching this conclusion at all? People aren't being forced to join these PF groups so they are not at peoples' beck and call. Why do you even keep repeating this irrelevant statement? It's called communication. If they are able to farm successfully but do not meet the specific requirements in the PF criteria they can /tell the leader. The party will decide. I've been in Ramuh PF groups with a i100 requirement for farms. We've said yes to i96 BLM with clears, or people said they were confident. If the group is cool with it they'll let them in. If they're not, they won't let you in. They're most likely going to be asshats anyway if they don't so why would you have the chance of having to waste yours and their times?

[NyarukoW]

... They're most likely going to be asshats anyway if they don't so why would you have the chance of having to waste yours and their times?

I wouldn't waste my time, nor would I advise anyone to waste theirs. But if people are "likely going to be ____hats ", then the system should not help them be like that. So a "no newbies wanted" checkbox will not get my support. I do NOT believe these people need more assistance to take for granted the community of players out there.

The fact that these people think that if that had their magic check box, means they can quickly and easily get a farm party using the PF for content where less than 1% has cleared is obviously delusional.The thing is these people operate with attitude that everyone out there should bow down and kiss their feet or something, so they think everyone else is at their beck and call.

[ExKage]

If you are too lazy form your farm static, why are you entitled to have people be at your beck and call when you want to farm?

I understand that you think this will contribute to newbie vs veteran but you are doing a great job at furthering it yourself by being antagonistic and hostile with comments like these when they bear no relevance.

People want to form a PF with like-minded or certain individuals with certain achievements. There is nothing inherently wrong with this. PF is a tool for people to use to help gather "statics". Or there are moments when your static isn't available because the static was created with the sole purpose of raiding SCOB. Things like Trials such as Ramuh Ex I'd rather PF. If I want to join a learning group, I will. If I want to join a group of people who have cleared and would rather not have to explain every single mechanic, I will. This only serve a tool.

If someone believes "I would just be able to clear if everyone else knew what they were doing but none of these seemingly go for clear groups are working out" and that they would do well in a farm party, or one that would need to meet such criteria such as that proposed by OP, they can /tell the PF leader and ask. Take the PF recruiting info down, invite, then put back up.