Please add clearance condition to Group Finder

[NyarukoW]

Tryouts does not equate to a farm party. Tryouts, in your view, is allowing new players to join a farm party that clearly asks for previous winners only LOL.

If they add a new player, that results in opportunity costs. ....

"Opportunity costs"? Seriosuly, are you running a business? You make money by RMT or something? Sell clears to generate demand for RMT? Play for fun for a change? Help people learn the fights and enjoy their company? No it doesn't compute because of the "opportunity costs."

If you put a PF for farm static tryouts, most likely those that just want to sneak a quick clear will stay away, because they know they are being watched and graded. You should really do the tryouts and use that to recruit and then see that it works. You need to put in the up front costs to build that farm static, which more than pay off on the back side when you one-shot stuff over and over.

[Ashkendor]

If you put a PF for farm static tryouts, most likely those that just want to sneak a quick clear will stay away, because they know they are being watched and graded. You should really do the tryouts and use that to recruit and then see that it works. You need to put in the up front costs to build that farm static, which more than pay off on the back side when you one-shot stuff over and over.

You're still on the thing with the tryouts? Seriously, when I want to farm I want to farm. We usually do 4-5 runs at most and then move onto something else before we get bored with it. We're not going to sit and hold two days of auditions for a two hour farm party. It isn't a casting call for a movie; it's a party to farm an ingame trial for 8-12 minutes per run. Not to mention I've met some pretty cool people while putting up farming parties. My static leader has actually put a linkshell together from people we meet while farming, to help us put together parties faster. It's called getting out there, being social, and possibly making some new friends.

I also have friends that are newbies, but none of them are delusional enough to think that they can simply hop into a party with 7 veterans looking to farm the content and get a free carry. Seriously, it's downright rude. They are all willing to learn the content for themselves (and I am willing to help them do so) before joining such a party. Why is it such a problem to require that people know the fight before joining a party to farm it?

People have no self-motivation anymore, I swear. If you want to learn, go learn. Either join a party in PF or ask your FC/friends to help you with it. If just you want to get carried, then feel free to merc a run.

[Gucci_Charms]

"Opportunity costs"? Seriosuly, are you running a business? You make money by RMT or something? Sell clears to generate demand for RMT? Play for fun for a change? Help people learn the fights and enjoy their company? No it doesn't compute because of the "opportunity costs."

If you put a PF for farm static tryouts, most likely those that just want to sneak a quick clear will stay away, because they know they are being watched and graded. You should really do the tryouts and use that to recruit and then see that it works. You need to put in the up front costs to build that farm static, which more than pay off on the back side when you one-shot stuff over and over.

Opportunity costs doesn't just refer to business models. Not surprised though since you don't understand the difference between what proactive and lazy means. You also don't understand the concept of entitlement either.

You really should just stop posting in here. Your arguments add no value and are based off a delusional world. You also have no prior farming experience since you lack any coil i90/110 or primal gear nor understand what farming means. You are nothing more than a troll posting rants that do not even make sense.

Please answer this question though since you like dodging it each time it is asked: what is stopping new players from simply creating their own learning parties or joining a learning party?

TLDR: You make no sense.

[Yoninxi]

Please answer this question though since you like dodging it each time it is asked: what is stopping new players from simply creating their own learning parties or joining a learning party?

Please answer this NyarukoW

Along with

What's the point of the party finder if youre just supposed to take anyone gracious enough to join your party? Why not get rid of it and have everyone deal with doing content in the duty finder?

[NyarukoW]

what is stopping new players from simply creating their own learning parties or joining a learning party?

There is nothing stopping them from doing that, and I plenty of those PFs and it is a good thing. That was not the problem was it? The issue is the "clearance condition" being used to divide up the playerbase, so that question is really irrelevant. You guys just ignore those learning party PFs and pretend you don't see them.

The problem is the expectation to get a quick farm party is clearly no feasible. There are not that many player with the skill and experience to fulfill your wish and to meet the entitlement expectation that they are there the moment you call out on the PF. Try putting a PF to farm AV first room, or speed run Brayflox HM, or something along, those fill quick and you'll never have problems trying to sneak clears, because there are more than enough people that can do that stuff. Or PF for atma farm, or hunts, all things that have a low bar for skill and experience.

What's the point of the party finder if youre just supposed to take anyone gracious enough to join your party? Why not get rid of it and have everyone deal with doing content in the duty finder?

The party finder is good and functional as it is, you do not need to get rid of it. What needs adjustment is your expectation as to what it can do for you. There is no system/machine in the world that can distinguish a good player from a bad player based on their in game character stats. If is wishful thinking that a "clearance condition" can do that.

[Gucci_Charms]

I don't know about your server, but all I've seen PF for farms get stuck there forever. I don't know how many new players are gutsy enough to lie and try to sneak a clear. I always tell new people to go in and say they are new in any party, instance, DF, PF or anything else. And then it is up to the host to decide what they want to do.

Why do I have a hard time believing you are this innocent player that has never tried to sneak into a farm party to get a ninja win?

There is nothing stopping them from doing that, and I plenty of those PFs and it is a good thing. That was not the problem was it? The issue is the "clearance condition" being used to divide up the playerbase, so that question is really irrelevant. You guys just ignore those learning party PFs and pretend you don't see them.

The question is relevant. You state how you apparently see plenty of these learning parties inside PF. If that is the case, then what business does a new player have to join someone's farm or previous clears only party? They can easily join these learning parties already available in the PF or create their own.

[Gucci_Charms]

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I like how you dodged my question yet again:

You state how you apparently see plenty of these learning parties inside PF. If that is the case, then what business does a new player have to join someone's farm or previous clears only party? They can easily join these learning parties already available in the PF or create their own.

Hmm hmm

[Yoninxi]

wat

Please don't forget my second question you've dodged about three times now.

[NyarukoW]

Please don't forget my second question you've dodged about three times now.

You obviously don't read everything, or you don't like my answer. Oh well..

Why do I have a hard time believing you are this innocent player that has never tried to sneak into a farm party to get a ninja win?

I've never tried to sneak a win. I don't want any to do with people trying to exclude other players. PFs like that deserve to be stuck in the PF and never get filled.

...what business does a new player have to join someone's farm or previous clears only party?...

It is not my business nor is it your business judge what other people intentions or motivations are. But I'd take a guess that, they think they are ready and that they can help and that believe they know the stuff and would not wipe the party, and that they already done their reps in the learning party. Extend them the benefit of doubt and give them a shot until evidence prove otherwise.

I like how you dodged my question yet again...

I know you don't like the answer, but bottom line is "what business and why not"? Give people the freedom and let them sort thing out by themselves.That is the default anyways. You can even report the new player for harassment to GM if you wanted to, but I'm a sure you won't get much traction. But then again the GM may instruct them to not join farm parties before they are ready, who knows.

Happenned to me, three times just yesterday. It happens evey single time.

Three times = everything single time. Right. And it could be the people that have clears that wipe too. And how many times have you tried, not that you'd answer honestly, since to you 3 = every. And in any case that just means there is not enough people with the skill and experience level so that you can throw stuff on the PF and get easy clears. Try it for AV first room farm or Brayflox HM farm, and surely you won't have trouble. Remember once upon a time those got the same problems you have now.

The problem is not about "clearance", the bottom line is there is not enough people yet. So do you part, teach more people and then you will be able to farm any time you like. Take the long view, look at the bigger picture, and this is enlightened self-interest. Excluding people with the "clearance condition" that doesn't work, but will only lead to fewer people being able to do this and more frustration.

[Gucci_Charms]

It is not my business nor is it your business judge what other people intentions or motivations are. But I'd take a guess that, they think they are ready and that they can help and that believe they know the stuff and would not wipe the party, and that they already done their reps in the learning party. Extend them the benefit of doubt and give them a shot until evidence prove otherwise.

So you're saying it's not the business of the 7 players in the farm or previous win party to know that you have no experience only to have them wipe multiple times and waste their time? LOL. You're not ready when you have no prior experience or haven't seen the full fight. You're simply wasting the farm or previous win party's time.

There's no giving the benefit of doubt to ninja winners or new players wishing to be carried.

I'm more confident than ever you are one of those players that try to sneak into farm or previous win parties now. I bet you had a horrible experience of trying to get carried and ninja win where you got booted which is why you're so supportive of the idea of allowing new players waste farm or previous win parties' time.

I know you don't like the answer, but bottom line is "what business and why not"? Give people the freedom and let them sort thing out by themselves.That is the default anyways. You can even report the new player for harassment to GM if you wanted to, but I'm a sure you won't get much traction. But then again the GM may instruct them to not join farm parties before they are ready, who knows.

Exactly. Veteran players have the freedom to decide who they want in their party. If the farming party or previous wins only party doesn't want new players derailing their runs, then new players should understand that. Thanks for proving my point.

Why go through a GM when party leader can just boot them or not let them join from the get-go? LOL.

TLDR: You can keep posting your nonsense posts since you're clearly a troll that clearly supports ninja wins and getting carried LOL. Your recent posts are not even about the subject at hand. It's about who apparently has the right to only use Party Finder and that new players should be allowed get ninja wins and get carried.