Please add clearance condition to Group Finder

[Cynfael]

That is not segregation by any stretch of the imagination. Anyone that can tank and/or heal being invited to join your party, but you don't know until you actually try it as to whether if they can really tank or heal, and people can easily switch roles when they are in party. I've seen people join parties and then ask if someone can be a beter DPS so they can heal or tank or whatever. It is more of communication mechanism to the world about want kind of party composition is being put together.

As soon as you start restricting which classes and ilvls are appropriate for your PF, you are beginning to segregate potential members from the prospective member population. Please do keep in mind that words like segregation and discrimination have neutral meanings and are not intrinsically negative in all contexts.

[NyarukoW]

... How are these groups supposed to gather people for their farm party?...

Have farm static tryouts? I know you seem me write this and you even quoted it before. You don't like this answer because it takes more time. But why are you entitled to a have people at your beck and call to farm, when you didn't put in the effort to build a farm static? It doesn't matter that you put in the time to learn the fight, that is only 1 part of effort required, now you need to do the second part, that is recruit and do tryouts, and then schedule the time.

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As soon as you start restricting which classes and ilvls are appropriate for your PF, you are beginning to segregate potential members from the prospective member population. ...

iLevel requirements do no get you skilled or experience players. Everyone knows that gear level does not equal skill, it is there because the instances themselves have iLevel minimum requirements. And you can't really stop someone from joining and then taking advantage of the group and switching to spirit bonding gear either. And classes are open to everyone, all they need to is play the different classes, and it is easy to gear up all the different classes from fates and hunts if they so choose. So for all effective purposes, those criteria selections do not really segregate or discriminate.

[Gucci_Charms]

Have farm static tryouts? I know you seem me write this and you even quoted it before. You don't like this answer because it takes more time. But why are you entitled to a have people at your beck and call to farm, when you didn't put in the effort to build a farm static? It doesn't matter that you put in the time to learn the fight, that is only 1 part of effort required, now you need to do the second part, that is recruit and do tryouts, and then schedule the time.

Tryouts does not equate to a farm party. Tryouts, in your view, is allowing new players to join a farm party that clearly asks for previous winners only LOL.

If they add a new player, that results in opportunity costs. The 7 other players will just be wasting their time. How is that a win-win for everyone? Wiping hours with a new dude vs several successful runs in allowed timeframe. Which of these options makes more sense to the farming party? The purpose of farming parties is to reduce any possibilities of error, resulting in more loot earned and time saved. The purpose of a learning party, on the other hand, is to wipe for a long period of time till you are fully knowledgeable of all aspects of the fight.


The point that many and myself have asked multiple times in this thread is what is stopping new players from simply creating their own learning parties or joining a learning party? You have yet to provide a solid answer to this question. If you decide to answer it, please use a logical answer instead of using one of your extreme handicap, mentally disabled, PR, or stupid real life comparisons that actually add no value to your arguments.

[Sainya]

How about why don't you get to know more people on your server. This is the planet earth we all live on. What's the rush to clear it? Then a bunch of people will now be whining "SE we cleared all your content there's nothing to do in game waaaaah" get over it. You are not a special snowflake.

[Ashkendor]

Just because you may have learned the fight does NOT entitle you have other people at your beck and call to farm, and a "clearance condition" will get you the same people that have no experience and/or no skill but merely bought the clears. And in the process this promotes RMT, and it divides up the playerbase. The "clearance condition" not only will not achieve its goal, but also it will be bad for the game overall, and a PR nightmare for SE because "clearance condition" equals "we hate new players" or "new players not wanted".

Just because you may not have learned a fight does NOT entitle you to have other people at your beck and call to help you clear. I'm not sure how many times people can say that it doesn't equate to "we hate new players". I help new players all the time. I don't see why me wanting to have a couple of hours of quick, clean runs with other people that are veterans to a fight suddenly makes me the devil.

[NyarukoW]

Tryouts does not equate to a farm party. Tryouts, in your view, is allowing new players to join a farm party that clearly asks for previous winners only LOL.

If they add a new player, that results in opportunity costs. ....

"Opportunity costs"? Seriosuly, are you running a business? You make money by RMT or something? Sell clears to generate demand for RMT? Play for fun for a change? Help people learn the fights and enjoy their company? No it doesn't compute because of the "opportunity costs."

If you put a PF for farm static tryouts, most likely those that just want to sneak a quick clear will stay away, because they know they are being watched and graded. You should really do the tryouts and use that to recruit and then see that it works. You need to put in the up front costs to build that farm static, which more than pay off on the back side when you one-shot stuff over and over.

[Ashkendor]

If you put a PF for farm static tryouts, most likely those that just want to sneak a quick clear will stay away, because they know they are being watched and graded. You should really do the tryouts and use that to recruit and then see that it works. You need to put in the up front costs to build that farm static, which more than pay off on the back side when you one-shot stuff over and over.

You're still on the thing with the tryouts? Seriously, when I want to farm I want to farm. We usually do 4-5 runs at most and then move onto something else before we get bored with it. We're not going to sit and hold two days of auditions for a two hour farm party. It isn't a casting call for a movie; it's a party to farm an ingame trial for 8-12 minutes per run. Not to mention I've met some pretty cool people while putting up farming parties. My static leader has actually put a linkshell together from people we meet while farming, to help us put together parties faster. It's called getting out there, being social, and possibly making some new friends.

I also have friends that are newbies, but none of them are delusional enough to think that they can simply hop into a party with 7 veterans looking to farm the content and get a free carry. Seriously, it's downright rude. They are all willing to learn the content for themselves (and I am willing to help them do so) before joining such a party. Why is it such a problem to require that people know the fight before joining a party to farm it?

People have no self-motivation anymore, I swear. If you want to learn, go learn. Either join a party in PF or ask your FC/friends to help you with it. If just you want to get carried, then feel free to merc a run.

[Gucci_Charms]

"Opportunity costs"? Seriosuly, are you running a business? You make money by RMT or something? Sell clears to generate demand for RMT? Play for fun for a change? Help people learn the fights and enjoy their company? No it doesn't compute because of the "opportunity costs."

If you put a PF for farm static tryouts, most likely those that just want to sneak a quick clear will stay away, because they know they are being watched and graded. You should really do the tryouts and use that to recruit and then see that it works. You need to put in the up front costs to build that farm static, which more than pay off on the back side when you one-shot stuff over and over.

Opportunity costs doesn't just refer to business models. Not surprised though since you don't understand the difference between what proactive and lazy means. You also don't understand the concept of entitlement either.

You really should just stop posting in here. Your arguments add no value and are based off a delusional world. You also have no prior farming experience since you lack any coil i90/110 or primal gear nor understand what farming means. You are nothing more than a troll posting rants that do not even make sense.

Please answer this question though since you like dodging it each time it is asked: what is stopping new players from simply creating their own learning parties or joining a learning party?

TLDR: You make no sense.

[Amelia_Pond_Behemoth]

I always advocated for people working together

Glad we agree that everyone should be cooperative.

[LegendWait]

Play for fun for a change?

Where's the fun if new players keeps flooding in my farm/coil parties and prevent the other players from doing what we are planning to?

Getting lied to my face by someone who claimed he cleared, only to sneak a clear, isn't my definition of fun.